Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Travis Dermott signs extension with the Maple Leafs (1 year, $874,125)

[Spawn]

Leafs would prob have had the next dynasty if their top 3 players didnt demand such high contracts so quick. If they would have just waited it out...like the Pens and Hawks players did, they might have won a few cups by now.

Would have had the money to add a dman like Pietrangelo those years as well. Maybe a Krug and Pietrangelo at the same time if they chose to go that route instead of filling out their bottom 6 with more depth.

Horrible luck for the Leafs since at the time everyone was signing big deals(after McDavid did)...imagine if it was a few years later. Like now for example. Probably have Matthews at 8 , Marner at 7, Nylander at 5. Tavares at 7 or 8. Saves what...12-13mil? Even 8-10 mil would have made a huge difference allowing them to build a cup winning team.

The Pens and Hawks are both bad examples. They both won their first cups when at least some of their superstars were still on ELC deals. For the Hawks both Toews and Kane were on the final year of their ELC. For the Pens Malkin was still on his.

And the Pens superstars didn't wait for big contracts. At the time of their signings coming out of ELC both Malkin and Crosby signed for a higher % of the cap than any of Matthews, Tavares or Marner.

 

[M2Beezy]

Another good offseason signing by the Toronto GM here. Dermott did plateau but still a useful dman. This is a good deal

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

The Pens and Hawks are both bad examples. They both won their first cups when at least some of their superstars were still on ELC deals. For the Hawks both Toews and Kane were on the final year of their ELC. For the Pens Malkin was still on his.

And the Pens superstars didn't wait for big contracts. At the time of their signings coming out of ELC both Malkin and Crosby signed for a higher % of the cap than any of Matthews, Tavares or Marner.

Forget the examples...point stays the same. They didnt have to sign those big deals right away. Putting the Leafs in the situation they have been in. Again, if not...we could be talking about them as the top team in the East. Or like I said, at the very least....making it out of the first round.

What was the point of adding Tavares at that price if the rest of the kids would take large deals as well? Have to think the Leafs FO was caught off guard.

 

[Ciao]

I am really impressed with Dermott.

He could have stamped his feet and held out for more money.

Instead, he took a deal at a price that gives the Leafs some much needed cap relief to fill out their roster, and at the same time ensures that he won't be sent down as a cap casualty.

Very smart move for a career-building seaso. I hope he cashes in later on because he deserves that.

 

[Spawn]

Forget the examples...point stays the same. They didnt have to sign those big deals right away. Putting the Leafs in the situation they have been in. Again, if not...we could be talking about them as the top team in the East. Or like I said, at the very least....making it out of the first round.

What was the point of adding Tavares at that price if the rest of the kids would take large deals as well? Have to think the Leafs FO was caught off guard.

I do agree with you they've got one too many big money forwards.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Good deal for sure. If he goes to the minors the entire cap goes with him, right?

The fly in the ointment: waivers...

He's not exempt.

That said, great deal for the team.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

I do agree with you they've got one too many big money forwards.

Looks like they all fit pretty comfortably, while upgrading the d corps in a big way this off-season...People suggesting Kapanen or Aj were great players/losses; they really aren't. Several remaining ufa that are as good/better will be signing for 1 million or less. To get value from said players under these circumstances is commendable. 1st plus good prospect for Kapanen is hands down the best value of the off-season. (Schmidt 3rd, toews 2 nds as examples of far more valuable players going for much much less).

 

[MarkovsKnee]

He's a bottom pairing D for Toronto & hasn't shown any ability to be a consistent top 4 D. He can step up in times of injury but hasn't stolen anyone's job yet.

This is what #5/#6 D get. Needs a strong year with the potential for arbitration next summer. One year was always the best option.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Labanc signed his deal coming off of a season where he scored 56 points. So no.

This is a show-me deal for a defenseman that hasn't really established himself in a role.

One thing no one has mentioned: He led the team in defensive impacts last season.

 

[Pyrophorus]

I do agree with you they've got one too many big money forwards.

Many teams kept their core and won Cups.

But we should dismantle ours

 

[Allhailtheleafs]

He's a bottom pairing D for Toronto & hasn't shown any ability to be a consistent top 4 D. He can step up in times of injury but hasn't stolen anyone's job yet.

This is what #5/#6 D get. Needs a strong year with the potential for arbitration next summer. One year was always the best option.

Your out to lunch. Dermott is a team Player, took a discount. The guy can play
Too bad it's a good contract to trade

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

amazing deal

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Your out to lunch. Dermott is a team Player, took a discount. The guy can play
Too bad it's a good contract to trade

Guy had 11pts. Isn't a defensive stopper. And won't be in the top 4 for Toronto this season.

Anything more than what he got is an over payment for this year.

What he'll do in future years is tbd.

 

[Lempo]

What is the significance with $874,125 exactly?

Many other players get paid this exact number and it just seems so random.

The maximum allowed ELC salary is $925,000. Many guys get that, as did Dermott.

As a rule, these guys get the maximum allowed signing bonus of $92,500 (ten percent of the salary). That leaves $832,500 as their Base Salary.

When their ELC is up, to retain their rights as an RFA the team has to give them a very minimum Qualified Offer. By the CBA, in this sub-$1M salary bracket the QO is one year SPC worth 105 percent of the Base Salary of the last season of the previous contract.

So the $874,125 (105% of $832,500) is the very minimum QO for a number of guys. Usually the players don't take it but can negotiate for something else. It's a bit of a FU that the team doesn't even round their offer up to $875k.

But, it's 2020, and this is the only way for non-Arbitration-eligible RFA to ensure getting signed at all to an SPC. So Dermott and number of others chose to sign their QO.

This signing happened courtesy of the rules in the CBA, TOR not wanting to just let him walk and the general iffy situation.

 

[TOGuy14]

The AAA summer of Dubas continues.

Great contract for a quality D

 

[Dache]

Dubass continues to be the laughing stock of the league

Why is that?

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Good deal for sure. If he goes to the minors the entire cap goes with him, right?

he’s not waiver exempt and i recon he’d be claimed if we tried to send him down

 

[Paulinbc]

Is this a guy for the marleys? or has he played for the leafs?

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Is this a guy for the marleys? or has he played for the leafs?

leafs

 

[nobody]

Is this a guy for the marleys? or has he played for the leafs?

He's going to be looking to make the jump to the marleys from the OHL this year. We have high hopes for him. Might be an NHLer one day. Dubas definitely taking a big risk on an unproven OHL player, who is 23 now, might I add.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Is this a guy for the marleys? or has he played for the leafs?

Not sure you belong as a contributor to this conversation. Thought the cap would be 1.2 to 1.4 ish so pleasantly surprised

 

[Lempo]

Hmh, kind of curious: he has actually played 176 NHL games during three previous seasons. That is less than the CBA-mandated 180 games, so he should've been eligible for a two-way QO, but CapFriendly is saying it would be a one-way contract.

Did TOR do a bit of a waivers-proofing there, to make claiming him a somewhat less lucrative idea if he needs to be sent down?

 

[Kelly]

I am really impressed with Dermott.

He could have stamped his feet and held out for more money.

Instead, he took a deal at a price that gives the Leafs some much needed cap relief to fill out their roster, and at the same time ensures that he won't be sent down as a cap casualty.

Very smart move for a career-building seaso. I hope he cashes in later on because he deserves that.

Exactly. 100% this.

Dermott is betting on himself this year. He'll likely see top 4 minutes this year, but after signing such a cap friendly deal hell be a guarantee on the roster.

Either way, this season will be detrimental on which way his career ends up imo. He'll have a huge opportunity to eat up minutes after Rielly, Muzzin, Brodie.

 

[Lempo]

He could have stamped his feet and held out for more money.

Risky. When your ELC is up, you have exactly one guaranteed chance of signing a new NHL SPC and that is when they give you the Qualified Offer (unless they choose to just let you walk).

If you pass your QO, your team will hold your RFA rights until the year you're eligible for UFA, without them actually having to offer you a new SPC ever again. And they are not bound to the minimum salary of the QO anymore, ~$875k and looks like one-way in Dermott's case, but they can offer to sign you to the league minimum two-way contract.

As an RFA you can of course try to negotiate for an Offer Sheet with the other teams and try get yourself signed prior Dec 1, but whether that is realistic is a wholly another question.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

Risky. When your ELC is up, you have exactly one guaranteed chance of signing a new NHL SPC and that is when they give you the Qualified Offer (unless they choose to just let you walk).

If you pass your QO, your team will hold your RFA rights until the year you're eligible for UFA, without them actually having to offer you a new SPC ever again. And they are not bound to the minimum salary of the QO anymore, ~$875k and looks like one-way in Dermott's case, but they can offer to sign you to the league minimum two-way contract.

As an RFA you can of course try to negotiate for an Offer Sheet with the other teams and try get yourself signed prior Dec 1, but whether that is realistic is a wholly another question.

Just to add on your comment about the one way deal He played enough games where the QO had to be a one way deal. Do you know if the 10 day rule applied to QO's? If so then this was not him excepting a QO but him basically negotiating and they finally settled on a one year deal that was equal to his QO. The team might have been negotiating to get him locked into a 2 or 3 year bridge and he decided to take his chances with a one year "show me " deal.

I have pasted the collective bargaining language about why the QO had to be a one way.

In order for any team to retain their rights to a restricted free agent, the team must submit a qualifying offer. This value is based on the RFA’s expiring contract; a base salary greater than or equal to $1MM is only owed a matching offer, while a base salary less than $1MM is owed a qualifying offer of 105% of the base (a base salary less than $660K is owed 110%). New this year is also a rule pertaining to those contracts signed after July 10 for the purpose of burning an entry-level contract. Those players may receive a qualifying offer up to 120% of their base salary. A qualifying offer must also be a one-way contract if the player has played in at least 171 NHL games over the past three seasons combined and at least 51 NHL games in 2019-20, and did not clear waivers this season.