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Here is another take on this trade, which I would guess aligns with a portion of Leafs fan base.
With the Kasperi Kapanen trade, Kyle Dubas sets the table for a fascinating offseason ahead
The first big trade of what is sure to be a busy Toronto Maple Leafs offseason is now in the books.
Yesterday’s Kasperi Kapanen trade felt a little weird at first knowing most of us were in the mindset for a few years now that a Kapanen deal would be a hockey trade to immediately improve a weakness (i.e. defense) on the current roster, but it could well prove to be a good bit of creativity by Kyle Dubas to get this type of trade done as early as he got it done.
At least in my view, the 15th overall draft pick and some cap flexibility — they still need more of the latter, to be sure — is almost certainly going to carry more value than Kasperi Kapanen at $3.2 million when the offseason really kicks off (this is to say nothing of the prospect they fetched in the deal as well). There are too many teams that are going to be feeling the squeeze and will be shedding salary to deal with the flat cap ceiling and tightened internal budgets.
If you’re the deep-pocketed, in-a-Cup-window Leafs and you’re looking to make use of what little space and futures you do have to upgrade the roster with an eye towards a deep playoff run in 2020-21, Dubas’ urgency to jump into the trade waters early and set the table makes a lot of sense. In any offseason, I’m pretty convinced a 15th overall, a B or B+ prospect, and a little cap space to manoeuvre carries more value than a $3.2 million 15-20 goal middle-six winger.
The alternative would have been to sit around and try to swing a hockey trade that might never materialize involving some of the team’s second-tier forwards — Kapanen, Johnsson, Kerfoot — for defense help, or to flip one or two of these pieces for futures at the draft to open space ahead of free agency. Now, improving flexibility and storing some gun powder for later is not the same thing as acquiring — via trade or free agency — a defenseman that can play tough minutes for you capably. That’s where the really hard part comes in. It has to be the first of many instances of creativity from Dubas if he’s going to achieve his goal of improving the overall roster.
Full Story: https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020...-the-table-for-a-fascinating-offseason-ahead/
With the Kasperi Kapanen trade, Kyle Dubas sets the table for a fascinating offseason ahead
The first big trade of what is sure to be a busy Toronto Maple Leafs offseason is now in the books.
Yesterday’s Kasperi Kapanen trade felt a little weird at first knowing most of us were in the mindset for a few years now that a Kapanen deal would be a hockey trade to immediately improve a weakness (i.e. defense) on the current roster, but it could well prove to be a good bit of creativity by Kyle Dubas to get this type of trade done as early as he got it done.
At least in my view, the 15th overall draft pick and some cap flexibility — they still need more of the latter, to be sure — is almost certainly going to carry more value than Kasperi Kapanen at $3.2 million when the offseason really kicks off (this is to say nothing of the prospect they fetched in the deal as well). There are too many teams that are going to be feeling the squeeze and will be shedding salary to deal with the flat cap ceiling and tightened internal budgets.
If you’re the deep-pocketed, in-a-Cup-window Leafs and you’re looking to make use of what little space and futures you do have to upgrade the roster with an eye towards a deep playoff run in 2020-21, Dubas’ urgency to jump into the trade waters early and set the table makes a lot of sense. In any offseason, I’m pretty convinced a 15th overall, a B or B+ prospect, and a little cap space to manoeuvre carries more value than a $3.2 million 15-20 goal middle-six winger.
The alternative would have been to sit around and try to swing a hockey trade that might never materialize involving some of the team’s second-tier forwards — Kapanen, Johnsson, Kerfoot — for defense help, or to flip one or two of these pieces for futures at the draft to open space ahead of free agency. Now, improving flexibility and storing some gun powder for later is not the same thing as acquiring — via trade or free agency — a defenseman that can play tough minutes for you capably. That’s where the really hard part comes in. It has to be the first of many instances of creativity from Dubas if he’s going to achieve his goal of improving the overall roster.
Full Story: https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020...-the-table-for-a-fascinating-offseason-ahead/
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I agree but Pens is a better team on paper today than three weeks ago.
As of now, he overpaid for Kap but like I said, even if Kap maintained his level and the Pens win the Cup, that’s a good trade even if the 15th overall become Larkin and Hallander become ROR.
The point I was making was not Kap being a bad trade for Pens or not but rather is JR a good GM or not. To say that JR is a bad GM because of this trade is the same as saying Dubas is a great GM due to this trade. Ultimately Team success will determine the greatness of each GM.
Ni have been out of the loop the last few days, I don't know if I like this or not,mI mean wing is the position we are deepest at and I think we all expected Kappunto be traded but I have mixed feelings on the return, I like the 1st round pick, but this deal does nothing to improve our RD situation and kind of creates a hole and anybody that has read my posts for the past 3 years knows I don't like creating holes in the roster for no reason.
Now the off season has barely started and there is A LO T of time before the season starts but am iffy on this
Now the off season has barely started and there is A LO T of time before the season starts but am iffy on this
You can't just strip the entire 3rd line without replacements.
Who replaves Kerfoot at 3C
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I like on the main boards how upset people are at the Kappy trade. It’s more seen as a screw up by JR rather than any props to KD. I’m happy our GM is underrated by other teams fans, I just wish our own fan base had more faith.
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Rutherford has a resume. Dubas carries around a bottle of mouthwash.
True. Rutherford knows that the Pens window is closing fast so unless he makes bold moves it’s rebuild time.
Not sure trading Crosby would sit well with the fans at this point.
There are other teams in similar situations needing to dump salaries which KD can exploit if he plays his cards right.
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I think that’s been beaten to death and most of our fan base still have different opinions. Hard to change minds with little evidence for both opinions. Definitely can point to good and bad, I feel one outweighs the other and I hope the gap widens as we proceed.
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Dubas has a volatile track record thus far. I give him full marks for the Kapanen trade, but he's also made his share of mistakes.
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I think this trade is only part #1 and we will have to wait for part #2 to evaluate this 2 step middle man process to see how it improves the current teams competitiveness.
Believing Dubas couldn't deal Kapanen for a top 4 Dman he liked in a 1-1 type trade,he went the about this the round about way.
1) Trade Kapanen for futures to create cheaper and more desirable trade assets.
2) Trade those assets like the 1st round pick + other stuff to now land that top 4 Dman.
So judgement for me will wait until I see what I believe is the 2nd part of this deal still pending and counting this as in progress and end result TBD.
The 15th is a nice trade chip to have in our pocket + clearing 3+ mil. A win no matter how you look at it.
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Move JT to 3rd C and put Willie where he best fits at 2C. Only then will we have a legitimate one two punch at center.
You liked Willy at C vs cbj?
We went from 3 lines to 1...
We went from 3 lines to 1...
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Dude. When the plan is for him to play Center from the get go, we will be fine. He was put there in a haste, because our #2 C was invisible. JT got owned by Foligno. Hey there is a trade JT for Foligno. At least we could win a round.
Listen.. i think Willy would flourish managing his own line more than he does now. Hes got that cocky persona.
He'd need some hard wingers and i think it would be fantastic. But that wasn't a good look.
He'd need some hard wingers and i think it would be fantastic. But that wasn't a good look.
I think he was talking non playoff Willy against fast skating flow game teams where he looks like best guy on ice. Canes, Bruins, CBJs are bad teams due to small ice trap styles for Willy and quite a few other Leafs really.
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14th
| Year | Player | Pos. | Drafted From | Drafted By |
| 2013 | Alexander Wennberg | C | Djurgardens IF (SWE) | Columbus Blue Jackets |
| 2012 | Zemgus Girgensons | C | Dubuque (USHL) | Buffalo Sabres |
| 2011 | Jamieson Oleksiak | D | Northeastern (H-East) | Dallas Stars |
| 2010 | Jaden Schwartz | C | Tri City (USHL) | St. Louis Blues |
| 2009 | Dmitry Kulikov | D | Drummondville (QMJHL) | Florida Panthers |
| 2008 | Zach Boychuk | C | Lethbridge | Carolina Hurricanes |
| 2007 | Kevin Shattenkirk | D | US Under-18 | Colorado Avalanche |
| 2006 | Michael Grabner | RW | Spokane (WHL) | Vancouver Canucks |
| 2005 | Sasha Pokulok | D | Cornell University (NCAA) | Washington Capitals |
| 2004 | Devan Dubnyk | G | Kamloops Blazers (WHL) | Edmonton Oilers |
| 2003 | Brent Seabrook | D | Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL) | Chicago Blackhawks |
| 2002 | Chris Higgins | C | Yale University (NCAA) | Montreal Canadiens |
| 2001 | Chuck Kobasew | RW | Boston College (NCAA) | Calgary Flames |
| 2000 | Vaclav Nedorost | C | Ceske Budejovice HC (Czech) | Colorado Avalanche |
| 1999 | Jeff Jillson | D | U. of Michigan (NCAA) | San Jose Sharks |
| 1998 | Patrick DesRochers | G | Sarnia Sting (OHL) | Phoenix Coyotes |
| 1997 | Michel Riesen | RW | Biel (SwissA) | Edmonton Oilers |
| 1996 | Marty Reasoner | C | Boston College (NCAA) | St. Louis Blues |
| 1995 | Jay McKee | D | Niagara-Falls Thunder (OHL) | Buffalo Sabres |
| 1994 | Ethan Moreau | LW | Niagara-Falls Thunder (OHL) | Chicago Blackhawks |
| 1993 | Adam Deadmarsh | RW | Portland Winter Hawks (WHL) | Quebuc Nordiques |
| 1992 | Sergei Gonchar | D | Chelyabinsk Traktor (Russia) | Washington Capitals |
| 1991 | Pat Peake | RW | Detroit Compuware Ambassadors (OHL) | Washington Capitals |
| 1990 | Brad May | LW | Niagara-Falls Thunder (OHL) | Buffalo Sabres |
| 1989 | Kevin Haller | D | Regina Pats (WHL) | Buffalo Sabres |
| 1988 | Claude Boivin | LW | Drummondville Voltigeurs (QMJHL) | Philadelphia Flyers |
| 1987 | Stephane Quintal | D | Granby Bisons (QMJHL) | Boston Bruins |
| 1986 | Everett Sanipass | LW | Verdun Junior Canadiens (QMJHL) | Chicago Blackhawks |
| 1985 | Calle Johansson | D | Vastra Frolunda (Sweden) | Buffalo Sabres |
| 1984 | Terry Carkner | D | Peterborough Petes (OHL) | New York Rangers |
| 1983 | Bobby Dollas | D | Laval Voisins (QMJHL) | Winnipeg Jets |
| 1981 | Normand Leveille | F | Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL) | Boston Bruins |
| 1980 | Jim Malone | F | Toronto Marlboros (OHA) | New York Rangers |
15th
| Year | Player | Pos. | Drafted From | Drafted By |
| 2013 | Ryan Pulock | D | Brandon (OHL) | New York Islanders |
| 2012 | Cody Ceci | D | Ottawa (OHL) | Ottawa Senators |
| 2011 | Jonathan Miller | C | US NTDP | New York Rangers |
| 2010 | Derek Forbort | D | U-18 NTDP | Los Angeles Kings |
| 2009 | Peter Holland | C | Guelph (OHL) | Anaheim Ducks |
| 2008 | Erik Karlsson | D | Frolunda Jr. (Swe) | Ottawa Senators |
| 2007 | Alex Plante | D | Calgary Hitmen (WHL) | Edmonton Oilers |
| 2006 | Riku Helenius | G | Ilves (Fin) | Tampa Bay Lightning |
| 2005 | Ryan O'Marra | C | Erie Otters (OHL) | New York Islanders |
| 2004 | Alexander Radulov | RW | Tver (Russia) | Nashville Predators |
| 2003 | Robert Nilsson | RW | Leksands IF (SEL) | New York Islanders |
| 2002 | Jesse Niinimaki | C | Ilves Tampere (FNL) | Edmonton Oilers |
| 2001 | Igor Knyazev | D | Moscow Spartak (Russia) | Carolina Hurricanes |
| 2000 | Artem Kryukov | C | Yaroslavl Torpedo (Russia) | Buffalo Sabres |
| 1999 | Scott Kelman | C | Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) | Phoenix Coyotes |
| 1998 | Mathieu Chouinard | G | Shawinigan Cataractes (QMJHL) | Ottawa Senators |
| 1997 | Matt Zultek | LW | Ottawa 67's (OHL) | Los Angeles Kings |
| 1996 | Dainius Zubrus | RW | Pembroke (COJHL) | Philadelphia Flyers |
| 1995 | Jeff Ware | D | Oshawa Generals (OHL) | Toronto Maple Leafs |
| 1994 | Alexander Kharlamov | RW | CSKA Moscow (Russia) | Washington Capitals |
| 1993 | Mats Lindgren | C | Skelleftea AIL (Sweden) | Winnipeg Jets |
| 1992 | Jason Bowen | LW | Tri-City Americans (WHL) | Philadelphia Flyers |
| 1991 | Alexei Kovalev | RW | Moscow Dynamo (Russia) | New York Rangers |
| 1990 | Mark Greig | RW | Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL) | Hartford Whalers |
| 1989 | Jason Soules | D | Niagara-Falls Thunder (OHL) | Edmonton Oilers |
| 1988 | Reggie Savage | RW | Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL) | Washington Capitals |
| 1987 | Joe Sakic | C | Swift Current Broncos (WHL) | Quebuc Nordiques |
| 1986 | Mark Pederson | LW | Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) | Montreal Canadiens |
| 1985 | David Latta | LW | Kitchener Rangers (OHL) | Quebuc Nordiques |
| 1984 | Trevor Stienburg | RW | Guelph Platers (OHL) | Quebuc Nordiques |
| 1983 | Bob Errey | LW | Peterborough Petes (OHL) | Pittsburgh Penguins |
| 1981 | Al MacInnis | D | Kitchener Rangers (OHL) | Calgary Flames |
| 1980 | Jerry Dupont | D | Toronto Marlboros (OHA) | Chicago Blackhawks |
| Year | Player | Pos. | Drafted From | Drafted By |
| 2013 | Nikita Zadorov | D | London (WHL) | Buffalo Sabres |
| 2012 | Tom Wilson | RW | Plymouth (OHL) | Washington Capitals |
| 2011 | Joel Armia | RW | Assat (FIN) | Buffalo Sabres |
| 2010 | Vladimir Tarasenko | LW | Sibir (KHL) | St. Louis Blues |
| 2009 | Nick Leddy | D | Eden Prairie (Minn. HS) | Minnesota Wild |
| 2008 | Joe Colborne | LW | Camrose (AJHL) | Boston Bruins |
| 2007 | Colton Gillies | C | Saskatoon (WHL) | Minnesota Wild |
| 2006 | Ty Wishart | D | Prince George (WHL) | San Jose Sharks |
| 2005 | Alex Bourret | RW | Lewiston MAINEiacs (QMJHL) | Atlanta Thrashers |
| 2004 | Petteri Nokelainen | C | SaiPa Lappeenranta (FNL) | New York Islanders |
| 2003 | Steve Bernier | RW | Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL) | San Jose Sharks |
| 2002 | Jakub Klepis | C | Portland Winter Hawks (WHL) | Ottawa Senators |
| 2001 | R.J. Umberger | C | Ohio State University (NCAA) | Vancouver Canucks |
| 2000 | Marcel Hossa | LW | Portland Winter Hawks (WHL) | Montreal Canadiens |
| 1999 | Dave Tanabe | D | U. of Wisconsin (NCAA) | Carolina Hurricanes |
| 1998 | Eric Chouinard | C | Quebec Remparts (QMJHL) | Montreal Canadiens |
| 1997 | Ty Jones | RW | Spokane Chiefs (WHL) | Chicago Blackhawks |
| 1996 | Mario Larocque | D | Hull Olympiques (QMJHL) | Tampa Bay Lightning |
| 1995 | Martin Biron | G | Beauport Harfangs (QMJHL) | Buffalo Sabres |
| 1994 | Eric Fichaud | G | Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL) | Toronto Maple Leafs |
| 1993 | Nick Stajduhar | D | London Knights (OHL) | Edmonton Oilers |
| 1992 | Dmitri Kvartalnov | RW | San Diego Gulls (IHL) | Boston Bruins |
| 1991 | Markus Naslund | LW | Modo Ornskoldsvik (SEL) | Pittsburgh Penguins |
| 1990 | Karl Dykhuis | D | Hull Olympiques (QMJHL) | Chicago Blackhawks |
| 1989 | Jamie Heward | D | Regina Pats (WHL) | Pittsburgh Penguins |
| 1988 | Kevin Cheveldayoff | D | Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) | New York Islanders |
| 1987 | Bryan Marchment | D | Belleville Bulls (OHL) | Winnipeg Jets |
| 1986 | George Pelawa | Bemidji H.S. (Minn.) | Calgary Flames | |
| 1985 | Tom Chorske | LW | Minneapolis Southwest H.S. | Montreal Canadiens |
| 1984 | Roger Belanger | F | Kingston Canadians (OHL) | Pittsburgh Penguins |
| 1983 | Gerald Diduck | D | Lethbridge Broncos (WHL) | New York Islanders |
| 1981 | Steve Smith | D | Sault-Ste.-Marie Greyhounds (OHL) | Philadelphia Flyers |
| 1980 | Brad Palmer | F | Victoria Cougars (WHL) | Minnesota North Stars |
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Im not even sure if I have the stomach to see Dubas pick the 15th over-all.
He has often cited his philosophy of choosing the best player, regardless of position.
He either does this and possibly not address need or he does the opposite...which makes him show his desperation.
Not sure what I dislike more, an idiot or a p***y.
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With Tavares and Matthews eating up almost 40 minutes per game, I don't think we really need a strong 3rd center. I think we'd be better off spending less at that position and using the savings elsewhere.
There's quite a few low end 3rd line centers and high end 4th line centers out there this year.
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With Tavares and Matthews eating up almost 40 minutes per game, I don't think we really need a strong 3rd center. I think we'd be better off spending less at that position and using the savings elsewhere.
There's quite a few low end 3rd line centers and high end 4th line centers out there this year.
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