Confirmed with Link: [TOR/COL] Nazem Kadri, Calle Rosen & 2020 3rd for Tyson Barrie (50% retain), Alex Kerfoot & 2020 6th

[Cappuccino]

I would do Rielly-Ceci (is better than Hainsey I guess) and Muzzin-Barrie. Gives each pair a great puck mover and we can actually run breakouts on both sides of the ice instead of always feeding the left.

Would Rielly Dermott also work? Nice we have options now btw.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Ok, please give me us more information about Calle Rosén.

Averaging 0.85 points/game for Marlins is pretty good for a defenseman (?) is there any reason why he shouldn't become a top four d-man?

For me it is about confusing with almost nobody mentioning Calle in this trade.

Meh. I think expecting top 4 is a stretch. Could probably fill a bottom pair role and do well there but he's not great 5 on 5 (19 year old Liljegren carried him a lot this year, he was bad away from Lily). And I doubt he'd get much PP time with you guys with Makar and Girard there to take advantage of the offense.

One of those tweener guys between the NHL and AHL is the safe bet.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Would Rielly Dermott also work? Nice we have options now btw.

I'd prefer it over Ceci but I doubt Babcock would. Also I'd like to ease Dermott back into the lineup for a few weeks before ramping up to that.

 

[Cappuccino]

Ok, please give me us more information about Calle Rosén.

Averaging 0.85 points/game for Marlins is pretty decent for a defenseman (?) is there any (good) reason why he shouldn't become a top four d-man?

For me it is about confusing with almost nobody mentioning Calle in this trade but I guess you Leafs fans have some interesting inside information.

The Leafs signed Rosen at the time they also signed Borgman. If I remember correctly Rosen was in the line up (2 years ago) a couple of games and was sent down. Borgman stayed a little longer, but also got send down. Rosen played good in the minors and with Dermott injured, I guess he would have started as the 5th (3th pair LD) defenceman. This was supposed to be his moment to prove himself. He just needs to do that at the Avs blueline.

 

[BrainyBomber]

Ok, please give me us more information about Calle Rosén.

Averaging 0.85 points/game for Marlies is pretty decent for a defenseman (?) is there any (good) reason why he shouldn't become a top four d-man?

For me it is about confusing with almost nobody mentioning Calle in this trade but I guess you Leafs fans have some interesting inside information.

Top 4 may be overly hopeful as he's already 25. Made great strides last year tho and was pencilled in by most to make the Leafs this year.
Scouting Report: Who is Calle Rosen?

 

[21]

Meh. I think expecting top 4 is a stretch. Could probably fill a bottom pair role and do well there but he's not great 5 on 5 (19 year old Liljegren carried him a lot this year, he was bad away from Lily). And I doubt he'd get much PP time with you guys with Makar and Girard there to take advantage of the offense.

One of those tweener guys between the NHL and AHL is the safe bet.

Ok, we will see, his 0.85 points/game was third in the entire AHL for defensemen? Usually Swedish offensive d-men are valued highly, why would Rosén suddenly be different?

0.852 comparing to 0.862 for Zach Redmond and 0.867 for Lawrence Pilut.
2018‑2019 AHL Defensemen Scoring Leaders

 

[21]

Top 4 may be overly hopeful as he's already 25. Made great strides last year tho and was pencilled in by most to make the Leafs this year.
Scouting Report: Who is Calle Rosen?

Some players developing slightly slower especially d-men when coming from another country and another league? Well, we will have to wait and see, thanks for your comments.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Ok, we will see, his 0.85 points/game was third in the entire AHL for defensemen? Usually Swedish offensive d-men are valued highly, why would Rosén suddenly be different?

0.852 comparing to 0.862 for Zach Redmond and 0.867 for Lawrence Pilut.
2018‑2019 AHL Defensemen Scoring Leaders

Yes he put up points in the AHL but he had heavy PP minutes which he won't get at the NHL level, and he isn't great with the puck. He's not terrible, just not great. Doesn't have a great shot, will need to rely on his ability to get pucks through traffic and hope for the best.

 

[Cappuccino]

Some players develope slightly slower especially d-men when coming from another country and another league? Well, we will have to wait and see, thanks for your comments.

Don't you have Byram, Girard and Zadorov at the left side? If there is any team in the entire league able to be totally 'meh' about Rosen being able to stand on his skates, let only being a top 4 D, it would be the Avs lol.

You guys should have included Timmins in the deal, just because

 

[21]

Yes he put up points in the AHL but he had heavy PP minutes which he won't get at the NHL level, and he isn't great with the puck. He's not terrible, just not great. Doesn't have a great shot, will need to rely on his ability to get pucks through traffic and hope for the best.

Ok, now I am officially confused, I thought his shot (snapper and slapshot) was his best asset?

Well, anyway, for not being good averaging 0.85 points for the Marlies is interesting, yes, yes, I am aware of the huge difference between AHL and NHL.... ;-)

 

[21]

Don't you have Byram, Girard and Zadorov at the left side? If there is any team in the entire league able to be totally 'meh' about Rosen being able to stand on his skates, let only being a top 4 D, it would be the Avs lol.

You guys should have included Timmins in the deal, just because

Well, tons of responsibility on young guys here, it's a bit concerning but on paper it's looking impressive. ;-)

 

[LaPlante94]

Ok, now I am officially confused, I thought his shot (snapper and slapshot) was his best asset?

Well, anyway, for not being good averaging 0.85 points for the Marlies is interesting, yes, yes, I am aware of the huge difference between AHL and NHL.... ;-)

He's a good skater and his shot is really good. I don't know why anyone who has watched him would say otherwise.

 

[LaPlante94]

Ok, now I am officially confused, I thought his shot (snapper and slapshot) was his best asset?

Well, anyway, for not being good averaging 0.85 points for the Marlies is interesting, yes, yes, I am aware of the huge difference between AHL and NHL.... ;-)

I just saw Colorado had Meloche in their system. I remember liking him when he was in junior. How's he been developing?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Perfect take, you get a top pair D at 50% retained salary, and a top 9 forward and you don't give up aLilherjen, Samdin, Bracco or the 2021 1s

You got EXACTLY what you needed and you kept the cupboards full all the best prospects remain untouched.

Sign Marner and the off season is complete

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Anyone who disliked Gardiner is not going to like Barrie. Gardiner is the better D man.

Lol.

 

[21]

I just saw Colorado had Meloche in their system. I remember liking him when he was in junior. How's he been developing?

Well, no, I don't know much about Meloche. I tend to focus on the Swedish players more, especially on underrated Swedish players (I'm not a very trustable fan but 21 = Forsberg)

You are welcome to the Avalanche forum.

 

[leafs in five]

Anyone who disliked Gardiner is not going to like Barrie. Gardiner is the better D man.

I think I agree but I also think Gardiner being American accounted for a lot of the hate he got here. People who hated Gardiner will be more patient/forgiving with Barrie.

 

[Dreakmur]

I think I agree but I also think Gardiner being American accounted for a lot of the hate he got here. People who hated Gardiner will be more patient/forgiving with Barrie.

I think it will come down more to size. Both are similar players, but the weaknesses they both share are a lot more acceptable for a player who is smaller.

Tyson Barrie is 5'10", so it's pretty reasonable for him to lose some battles down low, or even avoid some contact. Jake Gardiner is 6'2", so losing the exact same battle, or avoiding the same contact, is a lot more egregious.

 

[leafs in five]

I think it will come down more to size. Both are similar players, but the weaknesses they both share are a lot more acceptable for a player who is smaller.

Tyson Barrie is 5'10", so it's pretty reasonable for him to lose some battles down low, or even avoid some contact. Jake Gardiner is 6'2", so losing the exact same battle, or avoiding the same contact, is a lot more egregious.

Good point. The battles for pucks is one thing, he was never going to win over people who want their dmen to just win board battles. Still I never saw Gardiner as soft, he was always getting hit, his back is permanently damaged for it. Until this season when he was clearly in some dehabilitating pain he was almost always willing to take it to try and make a play. I think most often it was the attempts to make plays that offended people most. I honestly think he just sees the game differently than most people who watch it, I remember Mirtle or Siegal saying something similar on Leafs Report last summer.

Anyway definitely glad to have Barrie, not like Jake was resigning here in any event.

 

[BodaciousBeefBazooka]

People saying Tyson Barrie is Gardiner 2.0?

 

[Sypher04]

I think I agree but I also think Gardiner being American accounted for a lot of the hate he got here. People who hated Gardiner will be more patient/forgiving with Barrie.

Sentiment around Gardiner had nothing to do with his nationality

 

[Dreakmur]

Good point. The battles for pucks is one thing, he was never going to win over people who want their dmen to just win board battles. Still I never saw Gardiner as soft, he was always getting hit, his back is permanently damaged for it. Until this season when he was clearly in some dehabilitating pain he was almost always willing to take it to try and make a play. I think most often it was the attempts to make plays that offended people most. I honestly think he just sees the game differently than most people who watch it, I remember Mirtle or Siegal saying something similar on Leafs Report last summer.

Anyway definitely glad to have Barrie, not like Jake was resigning here in any event.

Oh, Gardiner was definitely soft. That's what led to so many of his mistakes - he panicked to avoid a hit. He did get hit sometimes, but that was mostly when he didn't anticipate it. If he knew a hit was coming, he made sure he wasn't there to be in the way.

There's more than one way to play defense, that's for sure, and Gardiner was generally very effective. I personally prefer steady and reliable defensemen, but there's no denying that Gardiner was a good player.

 

[gabeliscious]

People saying Tyson Barrie is Gardiner 2.0?

Barrie is a rich mans gardiner who plays on right side. He is also making hyman money this year which is pretty good.

Not sure how much it will take to extend him...hopefully dubas finds a way

 

[FrozenJagrt]

I was just looking at it. I was born in 1991. Is Tyson Barrie the best right shooting D the Leafs have had in my lifetime?

Obviously guys like McCabe and Phaneuf played their off-sides but in terms of right handed shots the runner ups look like an aging Larry Murphy, Pavel Kubina, and Cody Franson... That is insane.

First name that comes to mind is Yushkevich. Jason Smith was solid too.

 

[leafs in five]

Sentiment around Gardiner had nothing to do with his nationality

disagree

 

[leafs in five]

Oh, Gardiner was definitely soft. That's what led to so many of his mistakes - he panicked to avoid a hit. He did get hit sometimes, but that was mostly when he didn't anticipate it. If he knew a hit was coming, he made sure he wasn't there to be in the way.

There's more than one way to play defense, that's for sure, and Gardiner was generally very effective. I personally prefer steady and reliable defensemen, but there's no denying that Gardiner was a good player.

maybe it's most accurate to say that think it takes guts to play the way he does