Top Ten Offensemen (Offensive D-men)

[mooseOAK*]

Yet Daley has already played 26 NHL games, while Colaiacovo has played in 4....but Daley is iffy to make the NHL

All that tells me is that the Leafs had fewer injuries and more depth on defence.

 

[Chaos]

All that tells me is that the Leafs had fewer injuries and more depth on defence.

Daley had Zubov, Boucher, Matvichuk, Sweeney, Klemm all ahead of him, and would have made the team straight out of camp if Erskine didn't have to clear waivers...Who did Colaiacovo have ahead of him(Dont include Leetch, he was there for like 13 games)?

 

[mooseOAK*]

Daley had Zubov, Boucher, Matvichuk, Sweeney, Klemm all ahead of him, and would have made the team straight out of camp if Erskine didn't have to clear waivers...Who did Colaiacovo have ahead of him(Dont include Leetch, he was there for like 13 games)?

McCabe, Kaberle, Berg, Klee, Marchment, Pilar, Jackman (who couldn't be sent down due to waivers).

 

[Chaos]

McCabe, Kaberle, Berg, Klee, Marchment, Pilar, Jackman (who couldn't be sent down due to waivers).

And you say the Leafs had more depth on defense with that?

 

[HellsBells]

Jackman (who couldn't be sent down due to waivers).

They should have just let him go on waivers if they were going to trade him for Drake Berehowsky. I'd rather have an empty roster spot than Berehowsky.

 

[mooseOAK*]

And you say the Leafs had more depth on defense with that?

Yes. Unlike the Stars they weren't blessed with three weak teams in their division.

Oh yeah, and four of them were in the World Cup.

 

[Chaos]

Yes. Unlike the Stars they weren't blessed with three weak teams in their division.

Lets look at it in comparison:

Zubov-McCabe: Not even close, Zubov my a good mile
Boucher-Kaberle: Pretty close, would give the edge to Kaberle
Matvichuk-Berg: Even a declining Matvichuk is better than Berg
Sweeney-Klee: Basically even
Klemm-Marchment: Another one thats basically even
Erskine-Pilar: Edge to Pilar

Looks to me like Dallas had more depth...and exactly what does the teams in the division have to do with defensive depth?

 

[andora]

Colaiacovo's skill level is nowhere near Leetch. .

i appreciate your entire response but in regards to the above, i never said that, i said his physical size was very close if not the same as leetch's

 

[mooseOAK*]

Lets look at it in comparison:

Zubov-McCabe: Not even close, Zubov my a good mile
Boucher-Kaberle: Pretty close, would give the edge to Kaberle
Matvichuk-Berg: Even a declining Matvichuk is better than Berg
Sweeney-Klee: Basically even
Klemm-Marchment: Another one thats basically even
Erskine-Pilar: Edge to Pilar

Looks to me like Dallas had more depth...and exactly what does the teams in the division have to do with defensive depth?

The Stars can can get by with less if they get to play patsies a lot of the time.

Zubov isn't better than McCabe at this point in his career, please.

 

[andora]

Lets look at it in comparison:

Zubov-McCabe: Not even close, Zubov my a good mile
Boucher-Kaberle: Pretty close, would give the edge to Kaberle
Matvichuk-Berg: Even a declining Matvichuk is better than Berg
Sweeney-Klee: Basically even
Klemm-Marchment: Another one thats basically even
Erskine-Pilar: Edge to Pilar

Looks to me like Dallas had more depth...and exactly what does the teams in the division have to do with defensive depth?

so it's 2 wins for dallas, 2 wins for toronto, and 2 evens...

looks like a tie

 

[andora]

It seems that anytime a leaf player/prospect does not stack up, everyone is prejudice against the leafs. I like Carlo, but his stock is going down.

oh yeah, again could you please back this statement about his stock going down? how did you mean it? stock around the league for trade value? (which doesn't matter since he won't be traded anytime soon) or did you mean stock within the organization? (which again is wrong since he's their number one prospect and ready to make the jump full time as soon as the leafs can fit him in?

please.. explain..

 

[Chaos]

so it's 2 wins for dallas, 2 wins for toronto, and 2 evens...

looks like a tie

Except the difference in the Dallas "wins" is far greater than the difference between the Toronto "wins", IMO.

 

[Chaos]

Zubov isn't better than McCabe at this point in his career, please.

Only a Leafs fan could say such a thing .

 

[nomorekids]

The Stars can can get by with less if they get to play patsies a lot of the time.

Zubov isn't better than McCabe at this point in his career, please.

you're kidding, right?

 

[mooseOAK*]

Only a Leafs fan could say such a thing .

I don't think that I am the only person who knows that it is 2004 now and not 1999. Zubov is 34 years old so sorry to tell you but it has to end sometime.

 

[Chaos]

The Stars can can get by with less if they get to play patsies a lot of the time.

No, they can get by with less because they have Turco in net......

 

[Chaos]

I don't think that I am the only person who knows that it is 2004 now and not 1999. Zubov is 34 years old so sorry to tell you but it has to end sometime.

Oh I forgot that this is Hockey's Future....no 34 year old(who happens to be the 3rd highest scoring d-man over the past 10 years) can possibly be better than a 29 year old(who has had a whopping 2 good seasons in his NHL career).

 

[nomorekids]

Oh I forgot that this is Hockey's Future....no 34 year old(who happens to be the 3rd highest scoring d-man over the past 10 years) can possibly be better than a 29 year old(who has had a whopping 2 good seasons in his NHL career).

don't bring up flukey seasons. that argument only flies when talking about sheldon souray. mccabe is "different"

 

[Chaos]

don't bring up flukey seasons. that argument only flies when talking about sheldon souray. mccabe is "different"

My mistake...you're right

 

[mooseOAK*]

Oh I forgot that this is Hockey's Future....no 34 year old(who happens to be the 3rd highest scoring d-man over the past 10 years) can possibly be better than a 29 year old(who has had a whopping 2 good seasons in his NHL career).

I did not intend to insult Mr. Zubov but you can send a letter to the Leaf and non-Leaf fans who voted McCabe onto the second All Star team at the end of the season to express your outrage.

 

[Chaos]

I did not intend to insult Mr. Zubov but you can send a letter to the Leaf and non-Leaf fans who voted McCabe onto the second All Star team at the end of the season to express your outrage.

Im sorry...I did not know one season made a player...after realizing that, I am completely outraged that Jim Carey has yet to be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

 

[mooseOAK*]

Im sorry...I did not know one season made a player...after realizing that, I am completely outraged that Jim Carey has yet to be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

We are talking about one season, last season, try to pay attention.

Anyway, how did McCabe drop from two good seasons to one in an hour?

 

[Chaos]

We are talking about one season, last season, try to pay attention.

Anyway, how did McCabe drop from two good seasons to one in an hour?

So it was last season...and in 2002-2003, he was coming off a "last season" of 43 points, and promptly put up a 24 point season.....I never said he went from 2 seasons to 1..I was just countering your rather weak argument about him being a 2nd team all-star "last season"

 

[mooseOAK*]

So it was last season...and in 2002-2003, he was coming off a "last season" of 43 points, and promptly put up a 24 point season.....I never said he went from 2 seasons to 1..I was just countering your rather weak argument about him being a 2nd team all-star "last season"

What is weak about it? We were talking about who was better last season, McCabe beat Zubov in every stat and made the second All Star team.

 

[Chaos]

What is weak about it? We were talking about who was better last season, McCabe beat Zubov in every stat and made the second All Star team.

And as I said, one season isnt everything...if it were, Jim Carey would be in the Hall of Fame...I guess your willing to ignore 1995-2003, when Zubov beat McCabe for 8 straight seasons...but of course, the most recent fluke season is all that matters to you.