TSN: Top 50 players, PK Subban #27, Carey Price #51

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  1. Ohashi_Jouzu*

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    I watched the whole show on another monitor, and I couldn't tell you how many times they referred to it as a "projection". Their exact words, repeated often: "projection for the coming season". Also, it was coaches and GMs (basically the professionals who assign values to all these players); not the players, as far as I remember.
     
  2. Lafleurs Guy

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    Okay. So is it a projection of stats? Or is it where they see these guys as being valued as in: "who's the best?"
     
  3. overlords

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    I take maxpac over a few guys on that list.
     
  4. Ohashi_Jouzu*

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    That. The list pretty much implies that these guys think trading the guy at 30 to get the guy at 20 makes their team "better" (as much as any one player can), and so on. Stats are obviously only partly relevant when you see guys like Toews and Chara ahead of guys like Kane and Karlsson.
     
  5. Lafleurs Guy

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    Okay that's what I thought. Thanks.
     
  6. Ohashi_Jouzu*

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    Long term? Sure, I could easily see it. For the next 10 months, though? Tough.
     
  7. Lafleurs Guy

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    I'd take him over a couple of guys at the bottom of that list. Then again, I'd have Price and Rask ahead of him. Goalies seem to get short thrift in this ranking.
     
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    jpchabby Drive for 25

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    Lolwut?

    If I had to think about a goalie that could become better and have a better ranking than Price, I would not have thought about Fasth and Holtby. At all.
     
  9. ZARTONK

    ZARTONK Headscratcher!

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    I don't even know who Fasth is........
     
  10. HankyZetts

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    Huh? Brodin is amazing but not there yet. I think Suter is probably #1 for me right now. He is the most complete Dman out there imo.
     
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    It's a ranking made by coaches and GM's (at least that's what they kept saying during the show) so, for this one time, you can't blame the media for his ranking.
     
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    I am a sens fan but I'm not here to argue Karlsson's abilities.

    Although, I will tell you where the 'over hyping' of Karlsson started. It was in 2011-2012 due to this:

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    1	Erik Karlsson	OTT	D	81	19	59	[B]78[/B]	+16	
    2	Dustin Byfuglien	WPG	D	66	12	41	[B]53[/B]	-8	
    3	Brian Campbell	FLA	D	82	4	49	[B]53[/B]	-9	
    4	Zdeno Chara	BOS	D	79	12	40	[B]52[/B]	+33	
    5	Alex Pietrangelo	STL	D	81	12	39	[B]51[/B]	+16	
    6	Shea Weber	NSH	D	78	19	30	[B]49[/B]	+21	
    7	Alexander Edler	VAN	D	82	11	38	[B]49[/B]	+0	
    8	Dan Boyle	        SJS	D	81	9	39	[B]48[/B]	+10
    32% more points than then next closest D man

    It has been a long time since that kind of gap existed in the NHL
     
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    But that year Letang and Byfuglien did not play full seasons, and even though chances are Karlsson would have still finished number one, the gap would have been smaller.
     
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    Even so man... that's one hell of a gap. And he did it on a team that folks didn't expect to make the playoffs.

    As I said earlier, I haven't seen nearly enough of Karlsson to have a real grasp on how good he is. But those totals are impressive.
     
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    I'm not saying this is not impressive because it is, but what I wrote has to be taken into consideration.
     
  16. Natey

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    Calling fellow posters delusional is a form of bashing.

    Also, if the bottom lines of your post are true, why do we even talk about stuff? Next time a line thread comes up or someone like Darche is overplayed - I don't want to see you complaining since it would be egotistical to think you know better than our coach.

    There are lots of posters here who hated the Gomez trade - but I guess Gainey is the pro so it helped buying out Gomez rather than still having Ryan McDonagh in our system. I wonder why we even fired Gainey and Gauthier?
     
  17. Mrb1p

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    Buff was on pace for 72 points that year.
     
  18. Natey

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    Fasth basically turned Hiller into a joke last year. Not literally cause Hiller is solid but Fasth was awesome.

    Same. Top-10 isn't that bad anyway, people take it the wrong way.

    And Dubnyk is criminally underrated. He's put up better stats on a team way worse than us. I'm not sure who I'd take out of the two, right now, when building a team.
     
  19. Whitesnake

    Whitesnake In my opinion.....

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    KEY WORDS in my post....MIGHT BE COMING.
     
  20. onemorecup*

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    agreed on pk , and price didnt deserve top 50
     
  21. jpchabby

    jpchabby Drive for 25

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    Caps Lock all you want, my point is that IMO they won't. They're just not that good.
     
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    Buff was on pace for 72Pts. That gap would have been cut to 6pts instead of 25. Heck of a difference if you look at scoring ratios instead of just points. That percentage you speak off is actually just 8%, not 32.

    Both years Green finished at the top, he actually had a bigger gap in terms of scoring ratio. So, really, hadn't been that long. It was 2 years before.

    But Sens fans like to live in their world, where they think Karlsson has dominated the league like it hasn't been done in ''a long time''. That ''long time'' is actually just 2 years before.
     
  23. FlyingKostitsyn

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    Say Letang was injured last season and PK played as many games as Suter he would have had a very large lead as well.
     
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    Why not Holtby? His regular season and playoff stars are crazy good. Need to see him do well over a full season now.
     
  25. Whitesnake

    Whitesnake In my opinion.....

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    Next time I want to read the future, I'll call you, I promise. 'Cause clearly you know how about Fasth, having seen him play a lot and all....
     

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