Of those 13 minors, how many times did he take an opponent to the box with him. I admit he does take some undisciplined penalties but its not as many as you make it out to be.
I'll take my undisciplined penguins series clinching goal and cup clinching goals with sugar please.
He took an opponent with him 4 of 13 times, then 3 power play goals allowed in those 9 other minors, but this is what you’re paying him for, to be a disrupter, like it’s inherent in his game and if you’re saying you take those penalties because the guys on the other side have to worry about being concussed, that’s why he didn’t go to arbitration. You pay Kuzy and Eller to drive their lines, when they commit a lazy penalty you take it because your eyeballs and data and concrete examples elucidate their value to the team. But all this shit about how Wilson’s value is hard to quantify and gives 100% like Eller who’s been here 2 years isn’t all in, Eller who left $5M plus on the table, it’s code for he is capable of ending careers with technically legal hits. And if his talent with the puck warrants $1.5M which I believe it does, if you give him $5M you’re paying him as much just for hitting hard more than everything Eller gives you.
Hard to compare the players. They are completely different styles.
Why change the subject? We aren't talking about skills. We are talking about lazy penalties. A dumb penalty is a dumb penalty. It doesnt matter who it is. No one should get a free pass.
Is anyone able to make a case for Wilson over Eller with statistics, concrete examples, or logic without citing his ability to injure? Like I poke holes in Wilson’s game with specific examples of him hurting the team in these big games, and this comment is just perpetuating stereotypes of Ellers game before this past career year. I know in all my years following this team they’ve never had the 3rd line perform in the playoffs nor could they withstand losing a guy like Backstrom, that’s my anecdotal argument for Ellers value being paid as a top 6. I feel like Wilson is the best right wing for Ovechkin since Knuble, a little better than Justin Williams, and the fact that few people bring what Wilson does is because the NHL is trying to move away guys who even inadvertently commit head trauma so going long term carries inherent risk present with no other player.
That’s exactly why people say it’s hard to define his value, because no one wants to say injuring people is good, but he injures a tremendous amount of people in the playoffs to such a degree he has taken teams wills and that’s how I define his value. He got into the Penguins heads this year like the Heath Ledger Joker got into the head of the guy that was guarding him after Batman leaves.
, meanwhile his 2 linemates were basically 1 and 2 for the Conn Smythe. Fact is Ovi's consistent playoff scoring never really included his RW. Not even Knuble, IIRC. Wilson was involved in creating scoring chances at ES and his points are proof. Against the best, of course.
I don’t understand how Wilson has nothing left to prove but the jury’s still out on Burakovsky. Both could improve but both can regress. Wilson’s conditions were better last year than Burakovsky.
Everyone’s arguments for Wilson aren’t arguments they are narratives. He has a steady progression, consistent and dependable, gives 100%, great in the room, these aren’t real things, this is what Bergevin wants in his players. This is the first year Wilson averaged .1 goals a game, $4M would make him the 33rd hughest paid RW in the NHL, of course Wilson has something to prove.
For what it's worth, he was 28th in ESP among (players listed as) right wings.
I have no idea what you’re saying here. It’s not hard to define his value, at least IMO. He makes guys hurt. He makes guys run away. He separates men from the puck and from their A-game. He causes turnovers all over the ice. Plus he has some hands, strong D/PK skills, and hockey sense enough to play on the top line opposite the greatest LW of all time. He’s a rare player in this league because of that combo. He’s valuable, not only to the Caps but to any team. And he should get paid in the $4-5M range if he gives up UFA years.
