Toews the new Scott Gomez?

[Dylonus]

Toews is on pace for just 12 goals this year...

In his best offensive season (strike season) he scored goals 12 and 13 in the same game... Game 28 of the 48 game season.

OUCH>

 

[playasRus]

People bash Toews for his cap hit but when you captain a team to a SC (let alone, two), while putting up numbers at around .9ppg in the playoffs, you get paid. See Dustin Brown.

Now the question is/did Toews regress(ing)? The answer is a resounding yes, but he'll probably plateau at a 50-60 pt centre for a few more years before really Gomezing. Then his cap hit will go from overpaid to brutal.

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Thank you.

Toews literally might end up with the same production, possession metrics, corsi etc.. as Kadri this year. Kadri makes 4.5 million per season though.

Strange comparison. Kadri was signed as an RFA, while Toews as a UFA. Toews had Captained a SC champion team, and perennial playoff team, Kadri just came off a season where his team was dead last. Kadri had a career high season three years back, Toews a career high 75 four seasons back.

 

[Claypool]

People bash Toews for his cap hit but when you captain a team to a SC, while putting up numbers, you get paid. See Dustin Brown.

Now the question is/did Toews regress(ing)? The answer is resounding yes, but he'll probably plateau at a 50-60 pt centre for a few more years before really Gomezing. Then his cap hit will go from overpaid to brutal.

Even with his past success there was no reason to make him (and Kane) the highest-paid players in the league. I don't even get the idea that you have to pay them equally, either. They both didn't deserve a $4.2 million pay raise. They've been paid the same amount of money their entire careers. It's dumb.

 

[playasRus]

Even with his past success there was no reason to make him (and Kane) the highest-paid players in the league. I don't even get the idea that you have to pay them equally, either. They both didn't deserve a $4.2 million pay raise. They've been paid the same amount of money their entire careers. It's dumb.

Without hindisght though, if you're two best forwards at the time, who are pretty young, demand 10mil per and your D is already pretty much figured out for the near future, you probably do it. And it's not like they weren't worth around 9-10mil per if you look around the league. Perry/Getzlaf are paid about 8.5, were older by a 2-3 years when they signed and the cap had gone up by 5mil from 64 to 69 million from the 2013 to the 2014 summer. Kopitar, another comparable that signed at the same time got 10 per. Stamkos is the only one that seemed to have taken a pay cut.

 

[vancityluongo]

This is the most HF thread of all-time.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Gomez at 28: 16 goals and 70 points in 81 games

Toews at 28: 4 goals and 14 points in 24 games

Toews wishes he was the new Scott Gomez

 

[dkhockey]

defensive forwards don't make over 10 million a year in this league.

well now they do

and defense wins cups. Look at the devils of the past

 

[Revelation]

Gomez at 28: 16 goals and 70 points in 81 games

Toews at 28: 4 goals and 14 points in 24 games

Toews wishes he was the new Scott Gomez

This.

People forget about what an illustrious player Gomez was before his 30s because of the trade debacle with Montreal and the calendar year goal meme. Devils and early Rangers Gomez was much better than Toews

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

This.

People forget about what an illustrious player Gomez was before his 30s because of the trade debacle with Montreal and the calendar year goal meme. Devils and early Rangers Gomez was much better than Toews

That post was a bit half hearted. That said, I was trying to illustrate how underrated a player Gomez was before his steep decline. He was excellent in his first year as a Ranger.

I'm not a big Toews guy, never was, but between 2010-2013, he was a better player than Gomez ever was IMO. Right now, though...he's hitting a bigger offensive wall than Gomez ever did after signing his big contract. Not to say that I think Toews is done, but these struggles have been fairly consistent.

I think he snaps out of it, but I don't think he puts up any 70 point seasons from here on out.

 

[zzoo]

Toews is a pretty good player, the problem is that the media and some fan over-rate him way too much, ranking him in top 3 or top 5.
This isn't the case for Kopitar, nor Bergeron.

 

[stepdad gaary]

its hilarious that all of his goals and half of his points come in a 5-game stretch at the at the beginning of november. 7 points (all assists) in the other 21 games he's played.

 

[StoneHands]

its hilarious that all of his goals and half of his points come in a 5-game stretch at the at the beginning of november. 7 points (all assists) in the other 21 games he's played.

That was when they first put Toews with Kane, to you know, help Kane.

 

[ClydeLee]

defensive forwards don't make over 10 million a year in this league.

2/3 do.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

That was when they first put Toews with Kane, to you know, help Kane.

You forgot the

 

[iamjs]

When a Hawks fan creates the website: didtoewsscore.com and the answer is no for an entire year, we can talk about comparisons to Gomez.

This also happened to Gomez when he was on the backside of his career, when Gomez was 33ish.

Toews is still only 28 and is only 45 days into his streak. I don't think anybody has to worry about making a website quite yet.

 

[ATdaisuki]

Toews was great against the sens. He keeps that up and he'll be back to being a really good player that the media overrates

 

[Hawksfan2828]

Even with his past success there was no reason to make him (and Kane) the highest-paid players in the league. I don't even get the idea that you have to pay them equally, either. They both didn't deserve a $4.2 million pay raise. They've been paid the same amount of money their entire careers. It's dumb.

10.5M will look good in 4-5 years.

What do you think McDavid is going to sign for? how about Laine or Matthews?

People used to say 6.5 per was "insane".

 

[StoneHands]

10.5M will look good in 4-5 years.

What do you think McDavid is going to sign for? how about Laine or Matthews?

People used to say 6.5 per was "insane".

McDavid will sign for $10m+ but that's assuming he's going to be one of if not the best player in the NHL. Toews will be making the same as potentially a 50 point player and you think that's going to look good?

When was $6.5m among the the highest paid players in the NHL? That was a looong time ago.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Toews and Kane were only making around $6.5M each while winning 3 Cups.
I have no problem with their new contracts. They've earned 'em.

 

[Sens]

His teams 22-9-4... 1st overall... and he plays over 20 minutes a night
People get to caught up in personal numbers... W's are the only thing that matters

 

[dasaybz]

Toews and Kane were only making around $6.5M each while winning 3 Cups.
I have no problem with their new contracts. They've earned 'em.

Exactly this...

Hell, if the Hawks make it deep into the playoffs again and Toews pulls off some of his post season magic and is a huge part of them winning another cup, isn't it still worth it?

 

[Sens]

of course it is

 

[SAK11]

His teams 22-9-4... 1st overall... and he plays over 20 minutes a night
People get to caught up in personal numbers... W's are the only thing that matters

Anisimov is on close to a 70 point pace, Panarin and Kane are top 7 in league scoring, Hossa's 4th in the league in goals, their goalies have a sv% around .925, their big 3 on defense have played reasonably well. So because all these players are playing well and helping the team win, people shouldn't worry about Toews' lesser play? That's ridiculous.

It's a personal contract, and he's nowhere near living up to it. The team has played well, awesome. But he's not earning his money. People can say he earned it for his play in the past, but the contract is going on right now, and right now, he has 4 goals and hasn't been nearly good enough.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Anisimov is on close to a 70 point pace, Panarin and Kane are top 7 in league scoring, Hossa's 4th in the league in goals, their goalies have a sv% around .925, their big 3 on defense have played reasonably well. So because all these players are playing well and helping the team win, people shouldn't worry about Toews' lesser play? That's ridiculous.

It's a personal contract, and he's nowhere near living up to it. The team has played well, awesome. But he's not earning his money. People can say he earned it for his play in the past, but the contract is going on right now, and right now, he has 4 goals and hasn't been nearly good enough.

There is no need to worry about Toews until there is a need to worry about him.

Is he hurting the hawks somehow this season? Great teams have depth, when one of the hot hands cool down then the pressure is on for Toews and the Hawks.

I doubt anyone outside of HF cares too much.

 

[Pez68]

His shooting percentage is 6.3%. That is not sustainable and is almost 9% below his career average. At some point he will go on a run and the puck will start going in. Probably in bunches.

He has 28 goals in each of the three seasons prior to this one. His assist totals were down last season, mostly because of Hossa's struggles to score. The "horrible decline in his performance" people keep referencing isn't based on reality. He's still playing well, the puck just isn't going in the net. He was also hurt this season, which contributed to his struggles to score.

This is very similar to Hossa last season, when he shot 6.8%. He wasn't washed up either, which is obvious by the fact that he is currently 7th in goal scoring in the entire NHL...

Toews is, and will be, fine. Only people that really don't understand hockey are bashing him.