Tribute Timothy Liljegren Discussion Thread

[Enga Olly]

AI would like to see Liljegren make the top 6 and I hope Sandin can eventually be there too this year a Dermott--Holl pairing makes me nervous

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

AI would like to see Liljegren make the top 6 and I hope Sandin can eventually be there too this year a Dermott--Holl pairing makes me nervous

If Dermott-Holl is your 2nd pair, that would suck.

As your 3rd? Well above average.

 

[Racer88]

Lilly will be a Leaf. Both him and Sandin

This year?

 

[Knies iT]

Dermott is probably worse than he was when he first started, and it seems like the team agrees. He played 16 minutes a game in 2018, down to 13 minutes a game last year

I mean, the defense is also deeper with a better top 4 than we've had in a long time. His minutes get shaved because you have a 2nd pair that can be deployed like a top pair.

Dermott has progressed slowly but steadily. He's physically stronger and a noticeably better skater than when he debuted, he's an everyday PKer and he's carried partners for years. The only area of his game that has stalled is his offense, because he's been given zero opportunity on the PP and used primarily in a defensive role 5on5 (compared to Sandin who is handed PP minutes immediately). The fact they haven't even experimented with him on PP2 during injuries to Rielly/Muzzin is ridiculous. Now you have a guy with low confidence offensively who hesitates to execute plays.

Use it or lose it and he hasn't been given leash to grow offensively since he last played for the Marlies. He's been mishandled.

 

[Fogelhund]

I mean, the defense is also deeper with a better top 4 than we've had in a long time. His minutes get shaved because you have a 2nd pair that can be deployed like a top pair.

Dermott has progressed slowly but steadily. He's physically stronger and a noticeably better skater than when he debuted, he's an everyday PKer and he's carried partners for years. The only area of his game that has stalled is his offense, because he's been given zero opportunity on the PP and used primarily in a defensive role 5on5 (compared to Sandin who is handed PP minutes immediately). The fact they haven't even experimented with him on PP2 during injuries to Rielly/Muzzin is ridiculous. Now you have a guy with low confidence offensively who hesitates to execute plays.

Use it or lose it and he hasn't been given leash to grow offensively since he last played for the Marlies. He's been mishandled.

I agree that Dermott appears to have possibly more to his game, but note that he started in the Ozone 55% of the time last year, the second highest of any full time D, with the exception of Rielly.

 

[IPS]

I mean, the defense is also deeper with a better top 4 than we've had in a long time. His minutes get shaved because you have a 2nd pair that can be deployed like a top pair.

Dermott has progressed slowly but steadily. He's physically stronger and a noticeably better skater than when he debuted, he's an everyday PKer and he's carried partners for years. The only area of his game that has stalled is his offense, because he's been given zero opportunity on the PP and used primarily in a defensive role 5on5 (compared to Sandin who is handed PP minutes immediately). The fact they haven't even experimented with him on PP2 during injuries to Rielly/Muzzin is ridiculous. Now you have a guy with low confidence offensively who hesitates to execute plays.

Use it or lose it and he hasn't been given leash to grow offensively since he last played for the Marlies. He's been mishandled.

Dermott actually gets abnormally low minutes.

None of Tampa, Colorado, Vegas, NYI had a regular D that averaged even close to as low of minutes as Dermott played. Dermott's 13:13 TOI ranks him 2-3 less minutes per game than those team's bottom pair D. You mention him being an "everyday PK'er" but he killed f*** all for penalties this last season, the most he's averaged in a season is 1:09 PK TOI, and he's not a very good PK'er either.

 

[Legion34]

Lilly should be on the team based on camp.

I can see the logic of starting with dermott and moving from there. Lilly needs to get at least 50 games. This year

 

[Martin Skoula]

I know full well that if we move Dermott he's going to turn into another Stralman through his late 20s somewhere else, but does that really matter if he's never going to get the opportunity here? 200 games in and we have no idea if he can handle a top-4 role fulltime without getting caved in.

I almost wish Rielly had to sit out a couple months for some off-ice reason so we could see Dermott in regular top-4 LHD minutes and have Liljegren in as an everyday player.

 

[Looney Toonies]

Based on the eye test he should clearly be a full time member of the Leafs this upcoming season. I'm not sure how anyone could view this differently.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Waivers might dictate he starts the opening night in the minors (one of him or Sandin will have to) but like others have said he needs and has earned the right to play a lot this year and to see what we have in him.

 

[Racer88]

Based on the eye test he should clearly be a full time member of the Leafs this upcoming season. I'm not sure how anyone could view this differently.

If he is not full time this year I’m sure it will because of cap issues

 

[freshwind]

If he is not full time this year I’m sure it will because of cap issues

yup, and this roster issue with others can be solved by moving kerfoot

 

[FiveHoleo]

If he is not full time this year I’m sure it will because of cap issues

Biega is going to have that spot and it won't be cap related. Liljegren simply hasn't stepped up and taken a job. Biega looks dependable and strong so far, 2 things Lilly has never been described as. Lilly seems like a puck moving defenceman who can't get the puck himself to move it. It's a fire drill in his own end every shift, and the production on the other side simply isn't there to justify putting up with it. This kid is waiver bait when he's eligible for it.

 

[Ashdown2]

Biega is going to have that spot and it won't be cap related. Liljegren simply hasn't stepped up and taken a job. Biega looks dependable and strong so far, 2 things Lilly has never been described as. Lilly seems like a puck moving defenceman who can't get the puck himself to move it. It's a fire drill in his own end every shift, and the production on the other side simply isn't there to justify putting up with it. This kid is waiver bait when he's eligible for it.

you sir ... have not a clue

 

[zeke]

Guessing Muzzin was pulled after dermott was hurt so Sandin could play with Holl and Muzzin will play with Lilly tommorrow.

And dermott may not be ready to start the year.

 

[FiveHoleo]

you sir ... have not a clue

You would say that without any compelling counter to my arguments about the player. You post the way Liljegren plays.

 

[stickty111]

Guessing Muzzin was pulled after dermott was hurt so Sandin could play with Holl and Muzzin will play with Lilly tommorrow.

And dermott may not be ready to start the year.

This might be Keefe's other option if a d man gets hurt which is good. At least he is preparing for it.

 

[Community]

Guessing Muzzin was pulled after dermott was hurt so Sandin could play with Holl and Muzzin will play with Lilly tommorrow.

And dermott may not be ready to start the year.

I hope Dermott is okay, but this was my thought as well...

Hopefully it gives us a few extra games to see how Sandin and Liljegren look with their partners and the full NHL squad.

It's a bit weird to me that Liljegren's most common partner has been Muzzin so far (I think?), but before this injury it appeared like he would be in the AHL. Hopefully it means they like him, even though they obviously prefer Sandin at this point.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Biega is going to have that spot and it won't be cap related. Liljegren simply hasn't stepped up and taken a job. Biega looks dependable and strong so far, 2 things Lilly has never been described as. Lilly seems like a puck moving defenceman who can't get the puck himself to move it. It's a fire drill in his own end every shift, and the production on the other side simply isn't there to justify putting up with it. This kid is waiver bait when he's eligible for it.

You sure you aren't watching Sandin tonight?

 

[as Pure as Evil]

i think this is the year he establishes himself as part of the core moving forward
. he's seasoned in the ahl. done good. had a great camp so far will get a good long look to start the season.

 

[djdev]

You would say that without any compelling counter to my arguments about the player. You post the way Liljegren plays.

no need to counter somebody who is wrong other than saying "you are wrong"
and you sir, are wrong.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

This year?

I think so yes

 

[Legion34]

Biega is going to have that spot and it won't be cap related. Liljegren simply hasn't stepped up and taken a job. Biega looks dependable and strong so far, 2 things Lilly has never been described as. Lilly seems like a puck moving defenceman who can't get the puck himself to move it. It's a fire drill in his own end every shift, and the production on the other side simply isn't there to justify putting up with it. This kid is waiver bait when he's eligible for it.

ummmm???? He looked fantastic

 

[ULF_55]

Both Sandin and Liljegren have looked good.

Holl hasn't outperformed either, and Dermott doesn't look like he's progressing a great deal.

Have to have patience for all these younger players (not Holl).

 

[Legion34]

Guessing Muzzin was pulled after dermott was hurt so Sandin could play with Holl and Muzzin will play with Lilly tommorrow.

And dermott may not be ready to start the year.

what happened to dermott?