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Fitzy

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If this team doesn't make the playoffs you would have to think Gallant would be gone or there would be a laundry list of injuries

GG is gone if NYR don't make it out of the first round, let alone miss the playoffs IMO.

The expectation level from Drury is high. NYR don't have to worry about having to pay a coach millions to not be here. We don't have budget constraints.

The downside to that fact is that GG is unlikely to force the kids in for development purposes when he knows his window is here and now.
 
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GG is gone if NYR don't make it out of the first round, let alone miss the playoffs IMO.

The expectation level from Drury is high. NYR don't have to worry about having to pay a coach millions to not be here. We don't have budget constraints.

The downside to that fact is that GG is unlikely to force the kids in for development purposes when he knows his window is here and now.
Honest question.

Who do you think we have the best chance of winning a Stanley Cup with this roster, over the next 2-3 years.

a.) Gerard Gallant
b.) Joel Quennville
c.) Barry Trotz
 

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absolutely not letting my wall of text go to waste so here's some hot takes on this season so far that no one asked for (x-posted from the last thread)

1. on the PP teams are defending the Zib one timer well right now and Panarin and Fox haven't figured out that they can't keep playing catch as an alternative. Panarin makes so much room for himself but he keeps looking for that cross ice pass to Zibanejad and passes up a lot of good opportunities because of it. Fox just needs to get pucks on net. This is stupidity. They cost themselves several chances trying to un-super glue the right wall PKer from Zibanejad in the last few games. f***ing give it up and take what you have. Though I think some of this is them being aware that Trochek has not been a reliable shooter in the slot and hasn't recovered pucks well enough to justify these chances.

2. Goodrow sucks. like legit sucks. he is so f***ing slow and talentless. someone can feel free to bring up that he has more points than Kakko and Laf, I don't care. He got a mega contract off the back of being by far the worst player of the 21st century's version of the grind line. Congrats and enjoy it before your buyout.

3. We're running two 4th lines without Chytil. But not just two 4th lines, one of them is a better than average 4th line while the other is probably the worst 4th line in hockey. Carpenter and Reaves on the same line is just hilariously ineffective. Snails laugh at their speed going up the ice. Blais isn't much better because while he's definitely faster and way more talented he can't do anything with it since the other two are about 3 rink lengths away from him when he enters the zone. It doesn't help that 90% of their shifts are with f***ing Schneider and Hajek who are both absolute bozos with and without the puck. I know Reaves has his army of defenders that wax poetic about muh swagger muh culture when we win but it's really telling that the same army is awfully quiet the other 90% of the game where he does absolute f*** all. Where's the swagger now that we need it? Where's the "confidence" he gives them" I'm waiting, they sure could've used it last night.

4. The other line of Vesey-Goodrow-whoever the f*** is fine but that's not a line I want to play more than 7-8 minutes a game. We all said this about Vesey, his game being reinvented is great and he's legitimately a very good defensive forward and grinder now, but he has not a lick of offensive talent or scoring touch to speak of and we have too many players at this point that that title applies to. With Chytil who brought talent and Blais as 3RW, it was better because they were for sure more of a threat, but it still wasn't enough. Blais clearly does not have untapped potential, he's a 3rd line grinder and that's that. He still doesn't have a single RS goal for the Rangers!!! Kravtsov being ballsacks and 10000% useless is another kick in the nuts. we really needed some talent in the bottom 6 and we're seemingly not going to get it. Concur that Krav is very reminiscent of Buch's first year here but Buch flashed talent every game while this dumb f***ing chicken can barely handle a puck without getting mauled. This is a serious problem. We're going to wind up making the exact same trades at the deadline because our bottom 6 is completely useless with the puck. Ironically, they are useless and cost a lot of money. That's usually how it goes here.

5. Kreider has legit not looked good at ES in three years. He is the ultimate floater now. Can't win a battle for shit, no effort in his stride, loses the puck on the boards CONSTANTLY. I wouldn't have such a f***ing issue with this if he PLAYED LESS AT ES. Gallant deploys him like he's a weapon. He's so slow at this point he's actually a liability on 3 on 3 and in other faster situations but he's out there never leaving the ice like he's MacKinnon. I appreciate the billion goals we got out of him last year but we signed him to be a utility, own the boards, own the forecheck type which he decidedly hasn't been since the f***ing thing was signed. He's a third line PP specialist now, so drop him to the f***ing third line and play him like it. So sick of watching him fart over the ice with no tempo and no effort.

6. Schneider could never be a top 4 D and this board will still fellate him because of that time he beat up Sharangovich and sent Boqvist to the shadow realm. He's terrible. He is insanely unreliable defensively and gives entry to the slowest players in the league. I wouldn't have such a problem with this if he got a healthy dose of scratches to watch his mistakes (last year, at least) and WE DIDNT PUT HAJEK ON THE SAME PAIR WHILE HE STRUGGLES!!!!!! Part of why Hajek being the 7D boils my piss so much is that it was telegraphed that Jones would sit a lot. Fine. He probably deserves to. But then you need a 7D that does something. Hajek is utterly useless and makes all of Schneider's many faults even more egregious. We are running the worst bottom pair in the league for the third f***ing year in a row. And I know that everyone's bottom pair sucks but guess what, they still play 10+ minutes at ES. I don't think i'm asking for much to get a bottom pair that brings SOMETHING.

7. Overall though, I think we will be fine. We've definitely tightened up defensively, this team has started slow every year that I can remember, and there's too much talent in the top 6 to be completely feckless. I think this board has a specific look in mind when we're "not getting puck luck". It doesn't look like getting stoned every night on 7-8 A+ chances. It looks like exactly what we're seeing. No bounces going our way, 50/50 pucks going the other way every time, those faceoffs that you win so cleanly your own D aren't ready for it and they leave the zone, goalies not giving rebounds, etc. There are real issues, though, and it feels like these real issues are the same every year and never change. Kinda tired of it.
Agreed with almost everything but especially the Schneider thing. So stupid how he’s immune to being scratched.

Schneider
Jones
Lafreniere
Blais
Kravtsov
Goodrow
Kreider

are all playing either below or WAY below (cough cough Kreider) expectations. Plus Igor is not exactly being Igor from last year (not like we should expect Vezina after Vezina year), but that should not have been a problem if the others guys mentioned didn’t regress. Combine all that and I’m truly shocked that we are technically “outplaying” opponents.
 

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We are lifting the Stanley Cup this year, believe.
Who knows but I dont see a cup winning team at the moment and some top talents who are not ready yet.
 
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Now I see what’s been on their minds. Hopefully the party went well.

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I do love this though.
 

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We are lifting the Stanley Cup this year, believe.
I honestly think this year and next is our best crack at it. We will add at the deadline, we are off to a shaky start but who cares, i think we are as good as anyone. The good thing is Tampa is weaker without McDonagh etc, Leafs dont have goaltending, Carolina is the big dog we need to get by though to the finals.
 
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Fitzy

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Honest question.

Who do you think we have the best chance of winning a Stanley Cup with this roster, over the next 2-3 years.

a.) Gerard Gallant
b.) Joel Quennville
c.) Barry Trotz

Either Gallant or Quennville.

This roster isn't built to play a Trotz hockey game. Most of the cap space is currently occupied by skilled, east-west finesse players. We don't have the organization depth to play a 4 line rotating, forechecking, cynical hockey scheme. For the next 2-3 years, we kind of have to ride and die with playing skill hockey in the top 6, surviving in the bottom 6, and hoping for elite goaltending.

Henrik was right in his recent commentator appearance. This Rangers team has a lot more skill than even the best rosters Lundqvist played behind. The problem is the depth. Moore-Klein and Pouliot-Brassard-Hagelin, Moore-Boyle-Dorsett eat our bottom pairing and bottom 6 for dinner and still have room left over for dessert.

We built the team a little different this time around. There's more threat with all the top guns on the ice, but there's a much wider gap between the rich and poor in our lineup.
 

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Let me just say this, last night was the most boring 30 minutes in human history. I turned it off, but I imagine it was also the most boring 60 minutes in human history.

That said, we played a game of the year candidate the night before, so I don't think we're the common denominator here.

This is not an Islanders thread and I know the Islanders have had some success but even winning the way they do I'm glad I'm not an Islanders fan. I'm glad we watch only a handful of these a year rather than 82 + playoffs if they get there.
 
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Luckily, we don’t play them 7 times anymore

I might start skipping islanders games. They always end in frustration
 

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absolutely not letting my wall of text go to waste so here's some hot takes on this season so far that no one asked for (x-posted from the last thread)

1. on the PP teams are defending the Zib one timer well right now and Panarin and Fox haven't figured out that they can't keep playing catch as an alternative. Panarin makes so much room for himself but he keeps looking for that cross ice pass to Zibanejad and passes up a lot of good opportunities because of it. Fox just needs to get pucks on net. This is stupidity. They cost themselves several chances trying to un-super glue the right wall PKer from Zibanejad in the last few games. f***ing give it up and take what you have. Though I think some of this is them being aware that Trochek has not been a reliable shooter in the slot and hasn't recovered pucks well enough to justify these chances.

2. Goodrow sucks. like legit sucks. he is so f***ing slow and talentless. someone can feel free to bring up that he has more points than Kakko and Laf, I don't care. He got a mega contract off the back of being by far the worst player of the 21st century's version of the grind line. Congrats and enjoy it before your buyout.

3. We're running two 4th lines without Chytil. But not just two 4th lines, one of them is a better than average 4th line while the other is probably the worst 4th line in hockey. Carpenter and Reaves on the same line is just hilariously ineffective. Snails laugh at their speed going up the ice. Blais isn't much better because while he's definitely faster and way more talented he can't do anything with it since the other two are about 3 rink lengths away from him when he enters the zone. It doesn't help that 90% of their shifts are with f***ing Schneider and Hajek who are both absolute bozos with and without the puck. I know Reaves has his army of defenders that wax poetic about muh swagger muh culture when we win but it's really telling that the same army is awfully quiet the other 90% of the game where he does absolute f*** all. Where's the swagger now that we need it? Where's the "confidence" he gives them" I'm waiting, they sure could've used it last night.

4. The other line of Vesey-Goodrow-whoever the f*** is fine but that's not a line I want to play more than 7-8 minutes a game. We all said this about Vesey, his game being reinvented is great and he's legitimately a very good defensive forward and grinder now, but he has not a lick of offensive talent or scoring touch to speak of and we have too many players at this point that that title applies to. With Chytil who brought talent and Blais as 3RW, it was better because they were for sure more of a threat, but it still wasn't enough. Blais clearly does not have untapped potential, he's a 3rd line grinder and that's that. He still doesn't have a single RS goal for the Rangers!!! Kravtsov being ballsacks and 10000% useless is another kick in the nuts. we really needed some talent in the bottom 6 and we're seemingly not going to get it. Concur that Krav is very reminiscent of Buch's first year here but Buch flashed talent every game while this dumb f***ing chicken can barely handle a puck without getting mauled. This is a serious problem. We're going to wind up making the exact same trades at the deadline because our bottom 6 is completely useless with the puck. Ironically, they are useless and cost a lot of money. That's usually how it goes here.

5. Kreider has legit not looked good at ES in three years. He is the ultimate floater now. Can't win a battle for shit, no effort in his stride, loses the puck on the boards CONSTANTLY. I wouldn't have such a f***ing issue with this if he PLAYED LESS AT ES. Gallant deploys him like he's a weapon. He's so slow at this point he's actually a liability on 3 on 3 and in other faster situations but he's out there never leaving the ice like he's MacKinnon. I appreciate the billion goals we got out of him last year but we signed him to be a utility, own the boards, own the forecheck type which he decidedly hasn't been since the f***ing thing was signed. He's a third line PP specialist now, so drop him to the f***ing third line and play him like it. So sick of watching him fart over the ice with no tempo and no effort.

6. Schneider could never be a top 4 D and this board will still fellate him because of that time he beat up Sharangovich and sent Boqvist to the shadow realm. He's terrible. He is insanely unreliable defensively and gives entry to the slowest players in the league. I wouldn't have such a problem with this if he got a healthy dose of scratches to watch his mistakes (last year, at least) and WE DIDNT PUT HAJEK ON THE SAME PAIR WHILE HE STRUGGLES!!!!!! Part of why Hajek being the 7D boils my piss so much is that it was telegraphed that Jones would sit a lot. Fine. He probably deserves to. But then you need a 7D that does something. Hajek is utterly useless and makes all of Schneider's many faults even more egregious. We are running the worst bottom pair in the league for the third f***ing year in a row. And I know that everyone's bottom pair sucks but guess what, they still play 10+ minutes at ES. I don't think i'm asking for much to get a bottom pair that brings SOMETHING.

7. Overall though, I think we will be fine. We've definitely tightened up defensively, this team has started slow every year that I can remember, and there's too much talent in the top 6 to be completely feckless. I think this board has a specific look in mind when we're "not getting puck luck". It doesn't look like getting stoned every night on 7-8 A+ chances. It looks like exactly what we're seeing. No bounces going our way, 50/50 pucks going the other way every time, those faceoffs that you win so cleanly your own D aren't ready for it and they leave the zone, goalies not giving rebounds, etc. There are real issues, though, and it feels like these real issues are the same every year and never change. Kinda tired of it.

I think "we will be fine" too but I don't think we're on the Cusp of a Cup.

It would actually be really nice if we could add Pat Kane in the offseason for a cheap 1 year deal. That and bring up Othmann would really help with the forward skill problems. Kreider should placed in a role that more suits his ST prowess but quickly diminishing 5v5 skills. Goodrow bought out or traded. Blais and Reaves allowed to walk.

Lafreniere Zibanejad Kakko
Panarin Trocheck Kane
Kreider Chytil Kravtsov
Othmann Rydahl Vesey/Cuylle

Bam.
 

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Either Gallant or Quennville.

This roster isn't built to play a Trotz hockey game. Most of the cap space is currently occupied by skilled, east-west finesse players. We don't have the organization depth to play a 4 line rotating, forechecking, cynical hockey scheme. For the next 2-3 years, we kind of have to ride and die with playing skill hockey in the top 6, surviving in the bottom 6, and hoping for elite goaltending.

Henrik was right in his recent commentator appearance. This Rangers team has a lot more skill than even the best rosters Lundqvist played behind. The problem is the depth. Moore-Klein and Pouliot-Brassard-Hagelin, Moore-Boyle-Dorsett eat our bottom pairing and bottom 6 for dinner and still have room left over for dessert.

We built the team a little different this time around. There's more threat with all the top guns on the ice, but there's a much wider gap between the rich and poor in our lineup.
I thought something similar about Trotz but it depends on how strict his system is. Washington was different than Isles. The Caps obviously had a lot more talent. I know he'd 100% implement the structure this team desperately lacks but what would that look like?

We do have a lot of skill. I do not know why people always say we don't. I'm assuming it's because the lack of production? Can argue there's no 'diversity' in skill but I'm still 99.9% sure it's a systemic issue, especially 5v5.

I still think the 'team build' is in limbo. We got top picks which skewed timing and it's still trying to be sort out... especially the 'role players'. It hurts that Motte left while accepting reasonable term. We need those type of players you mentioned... A Hagelin, Moore or Boyle to fill out the team.
 

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I think "we will be fine" too but I don't think we're on the Cusp of a Cup.

It would actually be really nice if we could add Pat Kane in the offseason for a cheap 1 year deal. That and bring up Othmann would really help with the forward skill problems. Kreider should placed in a role that more suits his ST prowess but quickly diminishing 5v5 skills. Goodrow bought out or traded. Blais and Reaves allowed to walk.

Lafreniere Zibanejad Kakko
Panarin Trocheck Kane
Kreider Chytil Kravtsov
Othmann Rydahl Vesey/Cuylle

Bam.
We agree on almost every aspect of this team except your Love for Kravtsov

He's not an NHL player and as such we should deal him ASAP for anything

Otherwise you're spot on all the way
 

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I think "we will be fine" too but I don't think we're on the Cusp of a Cup.

It would actually be really nice if we could add Pat Kane in the offseason for a cheap 1 year deal. That and bring up Othmann would really help with the forward skill problems. Kreider should placed in a role that more suits his ST prowess but quickly diminishing 5v5 skills. Goodrow bought out or traded. Blais and Reaves allowed to walk.

Lafreniere Zibanejad Kakko
Panarin Trocheck Kane
Kreider Chytil Kravtsov
Othmann Rydahl Vesey/Cuylle

Bam.
I just do not comprehend this 'foward skill problem'.

Everything 'will be fine' is also subjective to goals. If we want to be like the New York Yankees, have strong regular season and come up short in the playoffs. Sure, we'll be fine. If we're talking about winning a Cup(s), I have doubts... not because of a lack of skill.
 

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Honest question.

Who do you think we have the best chance of winning a Stanley Cup with this roster, over the next 2-3 years.

a.) Gerard Gallant
b.) Joel Quennville
c.) Barry Trotz
Where's the "None of the above" option?
 

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