Blue Jays Discussion: The Vladimir Guerrero Jr. injury overreaction thread

[Eyedea]

I don't follow newspapers a lot. However, his weight gain could be a potential problem. Not really worried because the Jays will keep it in check.

I feel like I’m having deja vu considering this talk was happening with Osuna too. There’s some worry, yeah, because he could bloat in the offseason like Sano. But he’s also better at everything, and Sano was like 230 when he signed. If Vlad hovers around 230-240 but is transforming fat into muscle, I don’t see much of a problem.

 

[Discoverer]

If its the best deal i make this trade no problem. An MLB ready back end starter with #3 upside and 1 toolsy OF and a high upside pitcher.

I wouldn't be particularly disappointed with that, but I think it's a bit light.

 

[ChurchOfAlfie]

Perhaps if that is how you want to read it but i think its Dorian doing damage control. In what world does a bottom 3 team want roster players back when they are trading a better roster player with the draft in 3 days?

I think its more of an excuse/damage control because the return for Hoffman was brutal considering what he could have got from Florida.

It's not Dorion who clarified. It's Dale Tallon. I assume Florida's GM isn't doing damage control for the Sens, and is telling the truth.

 

[Eyedea]

The Score's mock trade;



If its the best deal i make this trade no problem. An MLB ready back end starter with #3 upside and 1 toolsy OF and a high upside pitcher.

Scrap the lottos and put Loaisiga in the deal and I do that.

 

[Eyedea]

Also can we keep the hockey talk out of here.

 

[ryno23]

If I am Shatkins I would be selling the rebuild to the fan base. They can point to the Leafs and say it worked here. They can say we want to build around VGJ, Bichette, Hernandez and some of the other prospects they have. Sell off all the vets for futures and do a Leafs tank job or a Cubs rebuild you can sell that to Jays fans. VGJ, Bichette among others will allow the rebuild to happen quicker than normally would.

Enough with the recycled vets and marginal players. Sell all that is not part of the future and release those like Morales that are taking away playing time from the kids

 

[FreeBird]

I feel like I’m having deja vu considering this talk was happening with Osuna too. There’s some worry, yeah, because he could bloat in the offseason like Sano. But he’s also better at everything, and Sano was like 230 when he signed. If Vlad hovers around 230-240 but is transforming fat into muscle, I don’t see much of a problem.

I brought this up before the season, hopefully not another Sandoval, I suppose your solution is Olive Oil every hour on the hour.

 

[Eyedea]

I brought this up before the season, hopefully not another Sandoval, I suppose your solution is Olive Oil every hour on the hour.

Every time Sandoval came to camp in (better) shape, he had a terrible start to his season. So that's a perfect example, sure.

And I don't know how to reply to that second part. Are you prejudicing me because of my ethnicity? Because that's hilarious.

 

[FreeBird]

Every time Sandoval came to camp in shape, he had a terrible start to his season. So that's a perfect example, sure.

And I don't know how to reply to that second part. Are you prejudicing me because of my ethnicity? Because that's hilarious.

Don't be silly you guys have been around for ever why wouldn't I take advantage of your heritage, may the Gods be with you. Big fan of Milt Pappas damn Arm injuries curtailed his Career.

 

[Eyedea]

Alright old bird, back to the drawing board you go.

 

[phillipmike]

It's not Dorion who clarified. It's Dale Tallon. I assume Florida's GM isn't doing damage control for the Sens, and is telling the truth.

Multiple sources claiming Dorion didn't want to deal in his division which is exactly why the Jays shouldn't do.




Not hockey talk, its related to baseball and the point I was making.

 

[Eyedea]

Multiple sources claiming Dorion didn't want to deal in his division which is exactly why the Jays shouldn't do.




Not hockey talk, its related to baseball and the point I was making.

It's hockey talk and unnecessary drivel.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Tomorrow is the 3rd time Jays would have been on Facebook. WTF? f*** that bullshit.

 

[The Nemesis]

Tomorrow is the 3rd time Jays would have been on Facebook. WTF? **** that bull****.

Yeah, I don't get that. I swear earlier in the year, before stupid facebook game #1 we were told repeatedly that there were only 2 such games this season.

 

[Anthrax442]

Day game, prolly most people watch in the office anyway

 

[ChurchOfAlfie]

Multiple sources claiming Dorion didn't want to deal in his division which is exactly why the Jays shouldn't do.




Not hockey talk, its related to baseball and the point I was making.

Without veering in to hockey talk, I fully agree with you that the Jays should take the best return that's available to them, even if it comes from within the division.

 

[Nineteen67]

The Jays better get Vlad Jr in the Gary Roberts training program before he turns 20 or he won’t even be a one dimensional DH when he gets to Toronto.

 

[zeke]

borucki, SRF, and zeuch are ready to move up.

Garcia is ready to move down. or away.

 

[phillipmike]

It's hockey talk and unnecessary drivel.

Its not and if you think it is then sue me.

I drew a comparison from another sport to make my point. Did it earlier today comparing playoff spots in other sports and 2 days before that referencing the leafs not disclosing Matthews injury in relation to Stroman/Donaldson.

Not hard to see the connection and see the point I was making while appreciating what the connection/metaphor brought to the table.

 

[canucksfan]

borucki, SRF, and zeuch are ready to move up.

Garcia is ready to move down. or away.

Ya would like to see some of the young guys come up even if it is slowly. Gacria has sucked except against the O's. Give Borucki or SRF a shot. No point in keeping Garcia.

 

[hoc123]

borucki, SRF, and zeuch are ready to move up.

Garcia is ready to move down. or away.

Borucki I agree with, I have to imagine he's in the Jays rotation by the trade deadline at the latest. SRF has done well, but has only had 5 starts in AAA. Zeuch hasn't really impressed me enough at AA to warrant a move up, and he's only had 8 starts in AA anyway. Garcia has been a let down, he was my starting pitching target on the free agent market.

 

[Discoverer]

The metaphor/comparison isn't the issue. The multi-post conversation about the specific justifications behind a hockey trade is.

 

[Discoverer]

The Jays better get Vlad Jr in the Gary Roberts training program before he turns 20 or he won’t even be a one dimensional DH when he gets to Toronto.

Thanks for the input, Steve.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Ya would like to see some of the young guys come up even if it is slowly. Gacria has sucked except against the O's. Give Borucki or SRF a shot. No point in keeping Garcia.

If you get a trade offer for him, take it obviously.

However with two FA starting pitchers already moving out (Estrada and Happ), they may want to keep Garcia over having too many young guys in at once and sending him away for nothing.

 

[zeke]

Borucki I agree with, I have to imagine he's in the Jays rotation by the trade deadline at the latest. SRF has done well, but has only had 5 starts in AAA. Zeuch hasn't really impressed me enough at AA to warrant a move up, and he's only had 8 starts in AA anyway. Garcia has been a let down, he was my starting pitching target on the free agent market.

Another dominant outing from Zeuch tonight.

his last 6 starts: 7.1ip/gs, 1.28era