The Steven Stamkos Playoffs (Non-)Performance Thread

[Khomutov]

You really want a player who constantly does dumb **** when frustrated to be your captain? If the C was to be given to someone it's probably Point.

Constantly? You mean two, three times in his career.

Kucherov is the best player in the world right now and the best playoff performer in Tampa. Give him the C.

 

[JoVel]

Constantly? You mean two, three times in his career.

Kucherov is the best player in the world right now and the best playoff performer in Tampa. Give him the C.

Yes, constantly. He's the best player on our team, but he's not the type of player to look up to when it comes to other areas of the game. Usually it's not as visible as it was last game, but if you do a good job at defending Kucherov, he'll probably take one or two slashes at your ankles during the game. Point would be a much better leader.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Give it to Point or Hedman.

Give it to Girardi

 

[God King Fudge]

Whole team is a playoff choke, top to (almost) bottom.

Vasy and Cooper equally share the biggest piece of the choke award for me right now, though. Vasy has been absolutely awful. Soft goals left and right, enormous rebounds. Awful.

Cooper has done nothing to adjust to Columbus, sat one of the steadier Dmen we have in Coburn hasn't (until today) done enough line juggling to try and get something going.

 

[God King Fudge]

And keep him on the team? What does that accomplish besides pissing him off? Trade him if you really want to change something

If they're not going to fire Cooper, this should 100% be on the table this offseason.

 

[T REX]

Cooper is their BFF. He would never do this. I think that is another layers to the problems we face.

 

[goeb]

If Lightning can't turn this series around, I do believe the Lightning should strongly consider trading him.

The Wings, much like the Lighting, had great regular seasons during the mid-90's and it wasn't until they started to utilize more grit on their top 6 (by adding Shanahan and utilizing Lapointe more) that they got the playoff results they were looking for.

I feel the Lightning need a Coffey for Shanhan type of deal.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

For everyone posting Kucherov’s and Stamkos’ stats saying how they aren’t playoff chokers, they aren’t getting the point.

They don’t show up in the big games. It’s easy to beat up on the Devils. But they had two shots to eliminate the Caps last year, and they were shutout both times. Where were Kucherov and Stamkos? They’re the team leaders, they need to step up.

What about the 2015 finals? Is it acceptable to only have 2 and 1 point in a 6 game series? People will stop calling them chokers when they show up for the real big games.

 

[ViD]

Isn’t Kuch like PPG in the playoffs ? Why would he geat any heat ?

 

[stevo61]

Isn’t Kuch like PPG in the playoffs ? Why would he geat any heat ?

Where are the points when it matters? Of course he deserves heat

 

[Pancakes]

What about the 2015 finals? Is it acceptable to only have 2 and 1 point in a 6 game series? People will stop calling them chokers when they show up for the real big games.

I mean anything can happen when you're talking a 7 game series. Kucherov for his playoff career has been mostly fine in terms of production.

Stamkos on the other hand has been well below a PPG for his career in the playoffs which seems bad for a player of his caliber.

 

[Makaveli]

Stammer and Kuch will both have big games tonight.

 

[Sol]

Stamkos is a miserable playoff performer. I would.

 

[Cellee]

He and Kucherov will be traded this off season

Toilets will start flushing clockwise.


To be honest, I liked Tampa Bay.

But having seen the whiny - knee jerk reactions to the series from their fans on HF, I'm now rooting for Columbus so they go away, and hopefully soon.

Some of their fans are being dramatic, but I also get the frustration.

 

[Cellee]

Give the C to Kucherov and they will win the Cup.

Yeah, Russians are always winners


d'oakey

 

[Cellee]

Constantly? You mean two, three times in his career.

Kucherov is the best player in the world right now and the best playoff performer in Tampa. Give him the C.

You guys are the worst

 

[Connor McConnor]

Yes but no. You can't do that to him - especially after a great regular season. But yes in terms of he doesn't deserve to carry the C when he is this bad in the playoffs with a long track record of it too. Optics would be way too bad to strip him tho so no.

 

[Future GOAT]

They should put up missing person posters of him around Tampa....

Last seen: regular season.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

11 G6 vs pens: 0pts
11 G7 vs pens: 0pts
11 G6 vs Boston: 3pts (1G+2A)
11 G7 vs Boston: 0pts
14 G4 vs habs: 0pts
15 G6 vs wings: 1pt (1A)
15 G7 vs wings: 0pts
15 G7 vs NYR: 0pts
15 G6 vs hawks: 0pts
16 G7 vs pens: 0pts
18 G7 vs caps: 0pts

4pts in 11 career games his team is facing elimination, 0pts in game 7s. Definition of a choker. What's worse for Tampa is that he seems to be rubbing off on Kucherov and the rest too.

 

[JoVel]

Yeah, Russians are always winners


d'oakey

Yeah Kucherov is our best player but he's like the last guy I'd give a C to.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

The leg injury early in his career unfortunately limited his true potential.

He was arguably the best goal scorer in the game for a brief stretch, alongside prime Ovechkin.

 

[CupsOverCash]

He really played well this year and then umm yea. Playoffs seems to be his kryptonite. Looking for him to have a strong game. I mean we need all our guys to have strong games tonight. Stamkos will be looking to have his best postseason performance I feel tonight.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Stamkos plight is literally the exact same thing Steve Yzerman went through.

Yzerman won his first cup when he was 31. Before that he was called a playoff choker too. Scotty Bowman nearly traded him.


And even after he won his cups, he's was still a part of all-time hall of fame teams that were beaten in the first round in an epic upset for the ages (Anaheim and Edmonton).



Winning the Stanley Cup has always been insanely difficult.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

I mean, being charitable, nobody but Gretzky puts up big numbers in game sevens, so it's not like you expect a bunch of goals and assists. But we've seen players with less talent than Stamkos -- Trevor Linden comes to mind -- be major studs in game sevens, while Stamkos has (since his final game of 2010-11) been a major dud.

In 3 game sevens Brandon Saad has 2 goals and 1 assist.
In 4 game sevens Patrick Sharp has 3 goals.
In 5 game sevens Jonathan Toews has 4 goals and 1 assist.
Kane has 5 assists in 5 games.
Seabrook and Hossa each have 2 goals and 2 assists in 5 games.

Big-game players show up in big games, maybe Stamkos just doesn't have it in him. He has a chance to prove everybody wrong now and lead the Bolts to an epic comeback. I'm cheering for him.

 

[Koolboss]

nothing new here Stamkos might as well be hurt when it comes to big games. He is Ovi with less passion