Prospect Info: The Prospect Thread (Part XXVIII)
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Hughes4Calder
Occam's Razor.
Which is more likely - that Hutton and McCann were sub-par AHL players in April (worse than their peers who joined the AHL late in the season) but somehow had a miraculous summer where they turned into NHL players, or that they were (like all those other high draft picks) good enough to help in Utica but a coach decided to stick with 'his guys' at the expense of development?
The notion that every other 2014 #1 pick was good enough to help their team significantly late in the AHL season except for McCann is laughable. Especially when McCann was better than most of them next time a puck was dropped.
Which is more likely - that Hutton and McCann were sub-par AHL players in April (worse than their peers who joined the AHL late in the season) but somehow had a miraculous summer where they turned into NHL players, or that they were (like all those other high draft picks) good enough to help in Utica but a coach decided to stick with 'his guys' at the expense of development?
The notion that every other 2014 #1 pick was good enough to help their team significantly late in the AHL season except for McCann is laughable. Especially when McCann was better than most of them next time a puck was dropped.
I'm one who often disbelieves people speaking of their view of the eye test. People often see what they want to see or see some things while not being aware of others.
Bad Goalie, imo, has established a fair bit of credibility. His reporting is consistently insightful and generally gives both good and bad about players. That doesn't suggest that anyone is completely objective, but imo Bad Goalie does well.
I also think Ernie is wrong in assuming that Hutton should have been playing for the Comets in the spring. He may have been better individually than somebody that played but that doesn't mean it would have been good for the team to take out someone who'd spent all year in the Comets system playing according to Green's methods and replace him with someone new.
It's also wrong imo to assume that Hutton didn't improve over the summer. He showed up and worked with the Comets, was told of things to work on and presumably spent the summer doing so. There's no basis for assuming he'd have been as good individually in the spring as we was at the end of the summer.
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I believe Ryan Johansen was a healthy scratch in the playoffs in the AHL before breaking out the next year.
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Pretty much nailed it.
I really do not see how you can serously say that McCann and Hutton went from being "not good enough for the AHL" to playing big roles in the NHL in a span of 6-4 months.
That **** does not happen. No mater how hard you try to twist reasoning it just does not happen.
Hutton was better than Negrin at the time he arrived in Utica. This is pretty well documented too, all you have to do is go back to the AHL winning vs development thread. It's pretty god damn ridiculous that people still try to argue this....
bad goalie has posted good insight within his essays. you'd better damn well listen to him because his info comes with the cost of the lives of trillions of innocent words.
"at the expense of development"
This is where I find the problem with your argument. It is easily possible that Hutton and McCann could have helped the Comets. I also joined in advocating a look at McCann. The posters claiming the win the cup with them is BS. No one can know what the results would have been. Its sheer guessing.
My question is how did not playing cost anything in the development of either one of these guys? If they were so adversely effected how did they magically make the Canucks roster 3-4 months later especially since, as some have just posted, the summer had no effect on their game between then and preseason camp? It may be argued they were ready, which I have already agreed to, but their development was obviously not harmed in the least. If a player has it, leaving his last amateur season and then entering his first pro season, the talent will be present. Whether or not he gets a few pro games or not will not change that fact. Their were Jr's whose parent club didn't get into the playoffs or exited in the first 3 of the opening best of five. Were they doomed going into the season any more than Hutton or McCann?
I believe it was Jake who said they all learned some of the big the differences in the pro game and amateurs. He said the pros paid much greater attention to off ice workouts, paid more attention to nutrition and rest. There is added pressure of so many games so close together and having to be ready every shift in a game, and coping with the speed and strength of the players was an eye opener. There was more but that's the best I can thumbnail from memory. Their experience here was valuable in spite of how it turned out for two of them. Jake played 10 playoff games and didn't exactly set the world on fire with one assist and he also made the Canucks so what was the difference in their "development"?
phillipsj89
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Any truth to the rumour of Stewart back to Prince Albert? Someone seems pretty convinced on the WHL board on a different board.
Would make sense as he has been struggling.
Would make sense as he has been struggling.
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This. Grenier is the player they most need to study. If they don't spend the time to get to know what he is about now, then next year they're limiting their evaluation to camp. A short sample that can swing either way.
They need to give him another, longer look.
3~ shots a game, given his style of game, would be better.
Pip
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Definitely moved from promising to a project, at least in my eyes. If he hasn't recovered and isn't a solid contributor next year then he's probably done. Would probably be tough to find a great comparable to his situation.
Pretty rare obviously. Did find John Mitchell.
0 points in first 16 AHL games. 4 points in his first 37 AHL games. Has racked up 159 points and 436 games in the NHL so far. Mitchell did start figuring things out a bit towards the end of his first full AHL season. Cassels probably gets a bit more time due to his injury and recovery, but needs a decent next year.
Any reports from the Spengler Cup where Canada opened with a win over Tryamkin's Russian team?....was he on the ice...see that former Comet Cory Conacher scored the game winner.
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Sat Dec 26
AHL
Utica 3 Rochester 1
Bachman 32 saves on 33 shots
Cassels, (1) (LaBate, Sautner)
Jones, (8) (Syvret, Gaunce)
Subban, (5)
ECHL
Kalamazoo 2 Fort Wayne 5
Blomstrand 0 points, -3
Cederholm 0 points, even
Fox 0 points, -2
McEneny on IR
WJC
USA 4 Canada 2
Boeser 0 points, +1
Virtanen 0 points, -1
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AHL
Utica 3 Rochester 1
Bachman 32 saves on 33 shots
Cassels, (1) (LaBate, Sautner)
Jones, (8) (Syvret, Gaunce)
Subban, (5)
ECHL
Kalamazoo 2 Fort Wayne 5
Blomstrand 0 points, -3
Cederholm 0 points, even
Fox 0 points, -2
McEneny on IR
WJC
USA 4 Canada 2
Boeser 0 points, +1
Virtanen 0 points, -1
S_C
I saw the whole of the 2nd period and the start of the 3rd. Didn't see as much of him as I would have liked but he did look pretty good. Gap control and coverage both good even on the big ice and he seemed pretty mobile for his size. Sadly didn't see much of him in the offensive zone.
Rodin with a goal and an assist in Brynas' win yesterday. Game winning goal and pp assist. Stretches his league leading goal and point totals to 16 and 34 in 27 games.
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