The Pettersson and Hughes Contract Thread | Tick tock...

[Cancuks]

How would Canuck fans feel if Benning signed Hughes tomorrow to an 8 year/$64 million deal similar to what Chabot got? And then Rathbone lights the world on fire, wins the Calder, and Hughes continues to be a dumpster fire in his own end on the third pairing and now we need to trade Rathbone because Hughes (and Ekman-Larsson) is unmovable. A 2 or 3 year bridge deal is a much better situation IMO.

 

[DFAC]

So when do we start getting worried?

 

[bandwagonesque]

This isn’t a subtweet of anyone on this board (at least I can’t recall any posters here doing it but if you did this lol @ u)

It’s been kind of funny seeing some casuals on twitter being mad at (specifically) QH for not signing a team friendly discounted deal.

I know a good portion of the same casuals took issue with any suggestions that we should be careful with Hughes long term due to him being a defensive liability - even though that’s a total valid sentiment.

It’s hilarious when someone finds people on Twitter taking a position that is inconsistent and then points to it as though those people can’t be found on Twitter discussing everything that exists and taking inconsistent positions from every possible perspective on those things.

 

[Diversification]

but to me the current impasse means pettersson and hughes currently want deals that benning cannot stomach even with his job on the line. he's never struck me as anything but a pragmatist or as tight with a dollar. so unless the canucks research guys have come up with unrealistic player valuations, my read officially becomes this is a bad situation tomorrow.

It's term. The sticking point is term and positioning for leverage on the next contract. As for JB's job on the line, we're not at that point yet.

The leverage goes both ways here: JB's need to make the playoffs on the one hand and the player's desire to put in a good showing this season after disappointing results in the last.

All of their shortcomings have come up during contract negotiations (hopefully couched diplomatically), so they're probably raring to prove management and the naysayers in the public wrong to some extent.

Add to that, players want to be around their teammates. It's the one common element that all retired players say they miss - the comaraderie.

There's enough incentive there that they should sign soon. Hopefully not the 5-year offer that EPs side tabled though.

 

[Fatass]

How confident are we, as Canucks fans, that Benning is the right guy to get these two players signed to contracts that are best for the club?

 

[Cancuks]

Apparently sleepy Jim can't get a deal done over the phone unless he is in the same time zone as the agent. Reminds me of the trade deadline when he missed out on trading Hamhuis to the Stars because he woke up too late.

 

[Chimpradamus]

On a sidenote, it's kind of weird neither side has filed for arbitration. Do both sides feel they would get the short end of the stick?

 

[rypper]

On a sidenote, it's kind of weird neither side has filed for arbitration. Do both sides feel they would get the short end of the stick?

Neither guy has arbitration rights yet. Pettersson will next year and Hughes the year after that.

 

[4Twenty]

It's term. The sticking point is term and positioning for leverage on the next contract. As for JB's job on the line, we're not at that point yet.

The leverage goes both ways here: JB's need to make the playoffs on the one hand and the player's desire to put in a good showing this season after disappointing results in the last.

All of their shortcomings have come up during contract negotiations (hopefully couched diplomatically), so they're probably raring to prove management and the naysayers in the public wrong to some extent.

Add to that, players want to be around their teammates. It's the one common element that all retired players say they miss - the comaraderie.

There's enough incentive there that they should sign soon. Hopefully not the 5-year offer that EPs side tabled though.

Team control is nice but it seems like it’s all people value. 5 years buys a ufa year and allows him to become ufa while fairly young.

Build a good program it’s nearly guaranteed he stays after.

Remember when people continually praised how cheap Boston got Pastrnak? Part of that was less resume the other part is they traded offf paying him higher AAV for 5 years of term.

I have no problem with that. Buying one ufa year for both suits me fine. Just like they did with Bo.

 

[Diversification]

Team control is nice but it seems like it’s all people value. 5 years buys a ufa year and allows him to become ufa while fairly young.

Build a good program it’s nearly guaranteed he stays after.

Remember when people continually praised how cheap Boston got Pastrnak? Part of that was less resume the other part is they traded offf paying him higher AAV for 5 years of term.

I have no problem with that. Buying one ufa year for both suits me fine. Just like they did with Bo.

For it to be a 5-year deal, the AAV would have to be quite team friendly, say, ~7 or so. This would allow for some cap flexibility to bring in another piece as the cap rises.

 

[4Twenty]

For it to be a 5-year deal, the AAV would have to be quite team friendly, say, ~7 or so. This would allow for some cap flexibility to bring in another piece as the cap rises.

How does that make sense when $7m is the low end (Barzal) 3 year bridge comp? bo got $5.5m for 28, 40, and 52 point seasons (4 years ago).

That’s just trying to bend the other side in the negotiation. Pretty sure Pastrnak had less resume and signed for $6.75m like 5 years ago.

You’re looking at Aho money on a 5 as the comparable which is ~$8.5m

I’m fine with that.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

but to me the current impasse means pettersson and hughes currently want deals that benning cannot stomach

Yes, it's the players who are being unreasonable.

 

[Sneezy]

Apparently sleepy Jim can't get a deal done over the phone unless he is in the same time zone as the agent. Reminds me of the trade deadline when he missed out on trading Hamhuis to the Stars because he woke up too late.

what a stupid post, JB has cap space unless either wants more than they are worth.

 

[Svencouver]

i literally dgaf about term if you bridge them and they pop the f*** off then they're worth what ur gonna pay them when you reup anyway

 

[mathonwy]

How confident are we, as Canucks fans, that Benning is the right guy to get these two players signed to contracts that are best for the club?

Yes

 

[CloutierForVezina]

but to me the current impasse means pettersson and hughes currently want deals that benning cannot stomach even with his job on the line.

Benning can't stomach those deals because he filled up on breadsticks, Pearsons, and Poolmans before the main course.

Leaving yourself with very limited room to negotiate around your cornerstone franchise players is certainly an interesting decision to make.

 

[Vector]

I thought last year was a nightmare of an offseason (and it truly was) but this one is coming close.

 

[ForecheckBackcheck]

I would offer:

Quinn Hughes - 7m x 3 year bridge deal
(prove you have what it takes to be an elite defence man on both sides of the puck)

Elias Pettersson - 9m x 6 year
(compromise on term, he still gets to UFA at 28 in the prime of his career)

If the players don’t accept these offers, I consider them to be unnecessarily greedy and put the fault on them not the team or Benning.

 

[racerjoe]

I would offer:

Quinn Hughes - 7m x 3 year bridge deal
(prove you have what it takes to be an elite defence man on both sides of the puck)

Elias Pettersson - 9m x 6 year
(compromise on term, he still gets to UFA at 28 in the prime of his career)

If the players don’t accept these offers, I consider them to be unnecessarily greedy and put the fault on them not the team or Benning.

We don’t have the cap space for that.

 

[M2Beezy]

So when do we start getting worried?

When the last handful of Benning supporters get worried. Unfortunately they wont and infact may even praise Benning for this process and blame everyone under the sun who is not Benning...

 

[RebuildinVan]

So when do we start getting worried?

Getting close

 

[Vaughan Cunningham]

What is a “casual” referring to?

 

[Tact]

I would offer:

Quinn Hughes - 7m x 3 year bridge deal
(prove you have what it takes to be an elite defence man on both sides of the puck)

Elias Pettersson - 9m x 6 year
(compromise on term, he still gets to UFA at 28 in the prime of his career)

If the players don’t accept these offers, I consider them to be unnecessarily greedy and put the fault on them not the team or Benning.

6.0-7.0M for Hughes

7.5-8.5M for Pettersson

Thats the range they’re discussing (my guess) and it’s ridiculous both sides hold out when you finally hear the contract terms and everyone says - really?!?

 

[krutovsdonut]

Yes, it's the players who are being unreasonable.

that i think depends on your perspective.

 

[krutovsdonut]

What is a “casual” referring to?

it is a really obnoxious term, isn't it?