Speculation: The Official Offseason Roster Discussion Thread

[Hawkaholic]

That's literally what he did to win 2013-15

lol, yup. Don't pay attention to Bobby. Old age has him forgetting things.

 

[Hawkaholic]

remember when stan said last october the team is "rebuilding"...one year rebuild btw

Yeah, but I don't remember him wavering from that....yet. And AGAIN, even if he signs a big name player, or trades for one, doesn't mean the rebuild is over.

 

[GaryU]

Barkov is worth $9m+, Hamilton is not.

 

[HawksDub89]

Would we have enough money for a competent D core though? I think no with all the extensions coming in too. We'd have to unload Seabs at the least, maybe even lose someone like Kubalik/Kurashev.

It’s assuming the kids take steps in their development. Otherwise you’re right, D core is pretty sketchy.

I still think Boqvist ends up a 2/3 D, Kalynuk a 4, and then some solid stay at home guys like Vlasic,Regula and Phillips.

But yes, the glaring issue is the lack of a true 1D.

 

[EddieTheEagle]

Let’s get Jones, Barkov and Forsberg a year of now for free. Okey?

I would love this but it won’t happen. Jones will get traded before then, CBJ will make sure. He will want a new contract, so he will sign for a boatload wherever he goes. I also really doubt Barkov even makes it to free agency, so you’d be waiting for nothing. Filthy Filip may be the only possible reality but chances are Nashville will flip him east if they don’t think they can sign him.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Forsberg will be signing here next year!

 

[ClydeLee]

Forsberg will be signing here next year!

Peter, nicce

 

[Toews2Bickell]

He clearly said he saw this as the continuation of what they had been doing since 2017...

they've made little progress since then, maybe he's not the right gm to do the 'rebuilding'...that said if they want to get aggressive with acquisitions via ufa and trade market then i'm all for it, don't believe that they're in a position to do a true rebuild until toews and kane are done playing, just don't have much faith in stan or the pro scouts to actually do it well at this point, hopefully they prove otherwise

 

[ChiHawk21]

barkov is a pipe dream.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Something I have been thinking about.

Say we had Philip Danault for the last 5 years. He is up to be a UFA this year. He performed as he did with MTL (40-50pt C, selke level D). Would you want the Hawks to re-sign him or let him walk?

I'd assume the answer would be, "we traded him at the TD", or "let him walk". But curious.

Could be an option for Bowman, as it sounds like he won't be signing in MTL.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Something I have been thinking about.

Say we had Philip Danault for the last 5 years. He is up to be a UFA this year. He performed as he did with MTL (40-50pt C, selke level D). Would you want the Hawks to re-sign him or let him walk?

I'd assume the answer would be, "we traded him at the TD", or "let him walk". But curious.

Could be an option for Bowman, as it sounds like he won't be signing in MTL.

would love to sign him for the right price...he would make an excellent shut down center in a top 9 role behind toews and dach...they'd have 2 (arguably 3) centers next year that they could put on any line and expect to shut down the opposition..and if kirby develops into a 2 way beast they're set at center for a while...Danault's probably looking at the Kevin Hayes deal and asking for that

 

[RayP]

Not sure a 28 year old defensive minded center is what this team needs given RNH and others just got 8 years. I’m sure Danault will get at least 6 years if not 8 as well. Hell Goodrow got 6 years at 3.6 per.


Pass on Danault.

 

[Muffinalt]

Not sure a 28 year old defensive minded center is what this team needs given RNH and others just got 8 years. I’m sure Danault will get at least 6 years if not 8 as well. Hell Goodrow got 6 years at 3.6 per.


Pass on Danault.

Love Danault, but agree his cap hit is not what we need with all the options for 3C on roster anyway (Kurashev, Borgstrom, Suter, Strome).

 

[giza]

Hawks need anything defensive minded. Honestly, I think Toews (since he can do it) should be on the 3rd line and hand over the 2nd line to Suter. Maybe something like Connelly, Toews and Hagel on the 3rd line?

 

[Hawkaholic]

Hawks need anything defensive minded. Honestly, I think Toews (since he can do it) should be on the 3rd line and hand over the 2nd line to Suter. Maybe something like Connelly, Toews and Hagel on the 3rd line?

Maybe it's just me, but I think we should have our best C on one of the 2 top lines.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Not sure a 28 year old defensive minded center is what this team needs given RNH and others just got 8 years. I’m sure Danault will get at least 6 years if not 8 as well. Hell Goodrow got 6 years at 3.6 per.


Pass on Danault.

A defensive minded C is exactly what the team needs, but yes, 8yrs for a 28yr old is not something I want either.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Hawks need anything defensive minded. Honestly, I think Toews (since he can do it) should be on the 3rd line and hand over the 2nd line to Suter. Maybe something like Connelly, Toews and Hagel on the 3rd line?

No Connelly please

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

All of Chicago’s cap space should be used as a weapon. If they waste it on Hamilton, this team is doomed for another five years.

Can you give any recent examples of where "quality" assets were moved for cap space? ARZ recently took on 2 years of Ladd @ $5.5M cap (less actual $'s) for 2x 2nd's, and a 3rd. I just don't see how that type of return (or a guy like Stillman) actually moves the needle for this team.

If you're going "full rebuild", than that type of deal makes sense after you've moved JT/PK with retention to maximize return.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Can you give any recent examples of where "quality" assets were moved for cap space? ARZ recently took on 2 years of Ladd @ $5.5M cap (less actual $'s) for 2x 2nd's, and a 3rd. I just don't see how that type of return (or a guy like Stillman) actually moves the needle for this team.

If you're going "full rebuild", than that type of deal makes sense after you've moved JT/PK with retention to maximize return.

2 2nd rounders are quality assets. Could acquire a Dman like Devon Toews for that.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

A defensive minded C is exactly what the team needs, but yes, 8yrs for a 28yr old is not something I want either.

Agree 100% on passing on that long of a contract, but just FYI, only a team resigning a player can go 8 years. So everyone except MON can only offer Danault 7 years.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

2 2nd rounders are quality assets. Could acquire a Dman like Devon Toews for that.

Or a player like Shaw! ;o(

The Devon Toews deal was huge winner for the Avs. It's hard to find that type of deal though.

 

[ozzzie19]

2 2nd rounders are quality assets. Could acquire a Dman like Devon Toews for that.

But that's the equivalent of allocating 9.6m for Devon Toews (Devon's 4.1m hit and Ladd's 5.5m hit). I really like Toews, but that would be horrible asset management.

Thats the same reason why the Connolly trade made no sense. Taking Stillman out of the equation, if Connolly is a 13th F, you're allocating 4.5m in cap space for Borgstrom for the next two years.

 

[Hawkaholic]

But that's the equivalent of allocating 9.6m for Devon Toews (Devon's 4.1m hit and Ladd's 5.5m hit). I really like Toews, but that would be horrible asset management.

Thats the same reason why the Connolly trade made no sense. Taking Stillman out of the equation, if Connolly is a 13th F, you're allocating 4.5m in cap space for Borgstrom for the next two years.

In this fictious scenario, we have a ton of cap space, and Toews/4.5mil Dman is still an asset you can deal in 2 years to fill other holes or when you are ready to contend.

 

[Drumman44]

Arizona needs to cut salary I guess. I know OEL is a bad contract but what would it take as a sweetener to take him?

edit: Didn’t realize it was 6 more years as 8.25. Maybe we shouldn’t want to get in the business of taking on another Seabrook

 

[dj Mahoney]

No Connelly please

Connelly needs to help out in Indy.