News Article: The Nylander Saga.

[93LEAFS]

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At least Nylander was scoring this year.

A sign of a good goal scorer is Even strength goals.

Marner was 170th in the League in EV Goals.
Behind Kapanen and Ennis.

Sad.

And the year before led the NHL in 5v5 primary points.

I'd add this, Marner came much closer to living up to his contract in year one, than Willy did in year one of his new contract.

 

[Leafs87]

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At least Nylander was scoring this year.

A sign of a good goal scorer is Even strength goals.

Marner was 170th in the League in EV Goals.
Behind Kapanen and Ennis.

Sad.

Marner is clearly better. When you factor in caps it becomes a tougher decision on who you’d keep if 1 has to go. I don’t think Marner is 4 mill better. Also anything above 8.5 to me is crazy for a winger but I guess that’s a whole different topic

 

[Buds17]

Kerfoot isn’t a player i wouldn’t blink an eye for if they moved him. Nylander is young. Getting himself to play with more chip on his shoulder and intensity would elevate him to who knows what levels. He should play with a chip on the shoulder and drink straight rum or something for edge haha

Moving Kerfoot might leave the team with only short term, veteran options down the middle. I'm not very surprised Dubas chose to trade Kapanen and Johnsson instead. A few of the team's best players are still young. We're just somewhat viewed as having a window because of the uncertainty that could happen once their contracts run out.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Moving Kerfoot might leave the team with only short term, veteran options down the middle. I'm not very surprised Dubas chose to trade Kapanen and Johnsson instead. A few of the team's best players are still young. We're just somewhat viewed as having a window because of the uncertainty that could happen once their contracts run out.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Dubas moved him still. This team could be dominant as a counterpunching team with Kerfoot nonetheless. If keefe can get a buy in on defense first play we are a different animal nobody would see coming.

 

[Anthrax442]

I don’t think anyone is opposed to Nylanders contract. It was more Dubas caving that was the issue.

Dubas caved on this deal? O..kay.. Marner's, yes, but this was a good deal from the start

 

[ACC1224]

Dubas caved on this deal? O..kay.. Marner's, yes, but this was a good deal from the start

Yes pretty common knowledge that Nylander was paid for the full season while playing only half.

 

[Buds17]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Dubas moved him still. This team could be dominant as a counterpunching team with Kerfoot nonetheless. If keefe can get a buy in on defense first play we are a different animal nobody would see coming.

It wouldn't make sense to rule anything out at this point of the offseason. I just think the heavy lifting potentially has been done by the Leafs already. Then again, there is an argument to be made for having one forward too many. I'm hopeful that Kerfoot - if here - and the Leafs will have a bounce back season.

 

[Menzinger]

And the year before led the NHL in 5v5 primary points.

I'd add this, Marner came much closer to living up to his contract in year one, than Willy did in year one of his new contract.

Though moving forward Nylander is paid/expected to be a first line scorer while Marner will be paid/expected to be a top 2-3 winger in the league. The odds i think favor Nylander moving forward in terms of bang for your buck contract value.

Happy to have both guys on the team regardless.

 

[93LEAFS]

Though moving forward Nylander is paid/expected to be a first line scorer while Marner will be paid/expected to be a top 2-3 winger in the league. The odds i think favor Nylander moving forward in terms of bang for your buck contract value.

Happy to have both guys on the team regardless.

If Nylander doesn't have another year like 2018-19. All I'm saying is that people hammering home this great Nylander deal and then bashing Marner are ignoring Marner has probably provided closer to better value on his deal so far given how dramatically Nylander underperformed his in 2018-19.

 

[Anthrax442]

Yes pretty common knowledge that Nylander was paid for the full season while playing only half.

So what.

 

[ACC1224]

So what.

Exactly

 

[Gabriel426]

If Nylander doesn't have another year like 2018-19. All I'm saying is that people hammering home this great Nylander deal and then bashing Marner are ignoring Marner has probably provided closer to better value on his deal so far given how dramatically Nylander underperformed his in 2018-19.

Honestly, the past is the past. What they do in their remaining contract plus how far the Leafs go will be more important.
It is always easier for someone making close to 7mil to outperform the contract vs someone with close to 11mil contract.
For example if Willie gets close to 80pts, he is outperforming his contract, where Marner needs to be close to 100pts for him to be worth his contract. That applies to AM and JT or anyone else too.

 

[93LEAFS]

Honestly, the past is the past. What they do in their remaining contract plus how far the Leafs go will be more important.
It is always easier for someone making close to 7mil to outperform the contract vs someone with close to 11mil contract.
For example if Willie gets close to 80pts, he is outperforming his contract, where Marner needs to be close to 100pts for him to be worth his contract. That applies to AM and JT or anyone else too.

The past is something that should be accounted for. Marner has lived up to his deal more than Nylander has given how badly Willy played in year one.

 

[Gabriel426]

The past is something that should be accounted for. Marner has lived up to his deal more than Nylander has given how badly Willy played in year one.

Yes and no.
Leafs didn’t make the playoffs this year and this core have not win a round. If they win the Cup next year, are they less worthy of being Champions than say the Dallas Stars or Avs or Islanders bc these teams won more rounds than the Leafs over the past few years?
Players should be accountable of having bad seasons but at the same time what they do in their remaining deals are always more important than what they did in the past.
Or else, it is the same as saying Leafs are Cup Champions bc they won Cups in the past.

 

[93LEAFS]

Yes and no.
Leafs didn’t make the playoffs this year and this core have not win a round. If they win the Cup next year, are they less worthy of being Champions than say the Dallas Stars or Avs or Islanders bc these teams won more rounds than the Leafs over the past few years?
Players should be accountable of having bad seasons but at the same time what they do in their remaining deals are always more important than what they did in the past.
Or else, it is the same as saying Leafs are Cup Champions bc they won Cups in the past.

Except when part of the argument is that the Nylander deal is great because he did well this year ignores the value lost in how he underperformed it the previous year, and I’d say he underperformed it in year one more than he overperformed it in year 2. We will see what happens with the remaining 4.

 

[Garthinater]

Dubas caved on this deal? O..kay.. Marner's, yes, but this was a good deal from the start

Yes pretty common knowledge that Nylander was paid for the full season while playing only half.

So what.

Dubas gave nylander a 10.277 million caphit during year one of his contract to make up for the couple months willy sat out on the team.

He followed that up with 27 points in 54 games or 41 in 82.

Marner, in year 1 of his new contract, paced for 94 points.

Its awesome that nylander produced this year but it was not a good deal from the start.

 

[Bomber0104]

Dubas gave nylander a 10.277 million caphit during year one of his contract to make up for the couple months willy sat out on the team.

He followed that up with 27 points in 54 games or 41 in 82.

Marner, in year 1 of his new contract, paced for 94 points.

Its awesome that nylander produced this year but it was not a good deal from the start.

Marner hit 94 points over 82 games in 2019/20 and then a 93 point pace this past season while being an impact player in all play situations (ES/PP/PK).

Nylander's basically been riding the coattails of better players around him (ES) yet for some reason has a very weird cult-following endlessly hyping him up, not unlike one Mikhail Grabovski, who was also once strangely honed in on by a segment of the fanbase as some sort of irreplaceable talent..

 

[Anthrax442]

Dubas gave nylander a 10.277 million caphit during year one of his contract to make up for the couple months willy sat out on the team.

He followed that up with 27 points in 54 games or 41 in 82.

Marner, in year 1 of his new contract, paced for 94 points.

Its awesome that nylander produced this year but it was not a good deal from the start.

Marner played the full season and had a full training camp after squeezing the team for everything he could. Also was a limp noodle in the playoffs.

 

[Notsince67]

Honestly, the past is the past. What they do in their remaining contract plus how far the Leafs go will be more important.
It is always easier for someone making close to 7mil to outperform the contract vs someone with close to 11mil contract.
For example if Willie gets close to 80pts, he is outperforming his contract, where Marner needs to be close to 100pts for him to be worth his contract. That applies to AM and JT or anyone else too.

Wondering why you think its harder for Marner. Annualizing their point streaks, he was closer as a percentage completion than Willy this year.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It was more Dubas caving that was the issue.

Dubas did not cave. Quite the opposite; he held firm at what worked for the team, and Nylander called him up to accept at the last minute.

 

[ACC1224]

Marner played the full season and had a full training camp after squeezing the team for everything he could. Also was a limp noodle in the playoffs.

Yes I believed he missed one day of camp and was paid for a full season. Nylander was paid for a full season while playing half and was terrible. This is why everyone agrees Dubas caved.

 

[ottomaddox]

The Marner Saga disguised as a Nylander Saga Thread.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Nylander was paid for a full season while playing half and was terrible. This is why everyone agrees Dubas caved.

Nylander played 2/3 of the season, not half. Nylander was not getting paid while he was not playing. No, everybody does not agree that Dubas caved. That is a false claim you have repeatedly made all on your own, with absolutely no evidence. Dubas held firm at a sub-7m number that worked for the team to the very end; refusing to "cave", even if it meant no Nylander that season (and probably forever). Nylander himself admitted that he called up Dubas in the final moments to accept.

 

[Garthinater]

Marner played the full season and had a full training camp after squeezing the team for everything he could. Also was a limp noodle in the playoffs.

Nylander also squeezed the leafs for every dollar he could but he then paid the leafs back with 27 points in 54 games. It takes more than 1 good season to make up for that.

Also, while willy sat out on the team, we were top 5 in the league. Once we got nylander back we began a slide down the standings. Very strange tbh.

At least marner is producing right away, he didn't need an entire year to sort himself out.

Marners playoffs >> nylanders playoffs.

 

[Dreakmur]

Nylander played 2/3 of the season, not half. Nylander was not getting paid while he was not playing. No, everybody does not agree that Dubas caved. That is a false claim you have repeatedly made all on your own, with absolutely no evidence. Dubas held firm at a sub-7m number that worked for the team to the very end; refusing to "cave", even if it meant no Nylander that season (and probably forever). Nylander himself admitted that he called up Dubas in the final moments to accept.

He signed a 45 million dollar contract, which was 7.5 per season. Nylander sitting out - and not getting paid - for part of the contract reduced the cap hit to just under 7.