Certain trends, wages will be going down. Less fans in the seats. More families wanting cheap games or not going. More owners not wanting to lose money and more cheap Ufa's.
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look at Matthews point/goal totals when he signed. Eichel was no where near.
Matthews contract comparables were
kovalchuk. 16% x 5
Stamkos. 11.5%x 5
nash. 15% x 5.
Matthews waited until the projected 83 cap
And then signed for 14%. Which is right in line with top players who scored like Matty on 5 year deals.
And before people start complaining about 15 years ago. You literally have to go back that far to get a range for Matthews. He is that good.
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I have no idea why these contracts continue to be discussion points here. Nylander is easily shown to be at market. Matthews.. you can make an argument that he is 0.5 mil overpaid, and could wish for more term. Marner, he's about 1.5 mil overpaid to comparables... so maybe $2 mil of overpayments on the whole roster... I mean, ya, not ideal, but lets find another team who doesn't have $2 mil they couldn't spend better. At least it's with our elite.
Really the key here... these guys now have to play to their MVP paychecks, be the guys who learn to be winners, not just good stats guys.
A huge % of his contract is already paid, He's turning into a 7.5 player per. So yes, teams can afford him.
BTW, Marner played at a 93 point pace in a "Bad Year" last year. Teams would line-up for him don't be ridiculous. Players like |Marner are never available. He just turned 23 years-old. He signed through his prime...
He's not Jeff Skinner LOL
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hotpaws
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didn't realize he was so much better than McDavid that he can't be used as a comparable , learn something new everyday on this forum
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You would think people would be just happy to have a young stud superstar centre to build with.
The worst thing ina hard cap league to to overpay supporting talent. Dubas gets it. He can move anyone. He just got a fantastic return for his 3rd line winger...
the fact his posts comparable are all known for goal scoring I think it’s safe to assume the part you bolded was in context of goal scorers. Could be wrong but seems to me that’s what poster was saying. Matthews is better than McDavid in goal scoring just not by as much as mcdavid is better at pretty much everything else
Edit: jeez this is a nylander thread? It’s gone off the rails there are no posts about him on this page
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I agree with what you wrote but my question for all these people talking about comparables is have any of you factored in inflation?
thinking that an equal term/salary contract from 10 years ago is the same as it is today would be absurd, and unless I’m missing something, people tend to be doing exactly that
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Sorry I shouldn't have used Cap Friendly. This is from Spotrac. Actual money to be received = $6.962 x 6 or $41,774,173. There should have been a dip of over $2M to drop the total deal under $40M if the year 1 money was reduced. The full $45M would have meant a $7.5M annual salary.
| YEAR | AGE | STATUS | BASE SALARY | SIGNING BONUS | INCENTIVE | CAP HIT | CAP HIT % | YEARLY CASH | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2018-19 |
| 22 | $6,774,193 | $2,000,000 | - | $10,200,000 | 13.44% | $8,774,193($8,774,193) | |
| 2019-20 |
| 23 | $700,000 | $8,300,000 | - | $6,962,366 | 8.48% | $9,000,000($17,774,193) | |
| 2020-21 |
| 24 | $2,500,000 | $3,500,000 | - | $6,962,366 | 8.43% | $6,000,000($23,774,193) | |
| 2021-22 |
| 25 | $2,500,000 | $3,500,000 | - | $6,962,366 | 10.25% | $6,000,000($29,774,193) | |
| 2022-23 |
| 26 | $2,500,000 | $3,500,000 | - | $6,962,366 | 12.12% | $6,000,000($35,774,193) | |
| 2023-24 |
| 27 | $2,500,000 | $3,500,000 | - | $6,962,366 | 13.62% | $6,000,000($41,774,193) |
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42 goal pace under Keefe (Nylander was badly underplayed his entire career under Babcock) and we are worried about 6.9 per for his prime?
On no other team is this an issue.
On no other team is this an issue.
hotpaws
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players should get paid on there overall game , you don't pick one aspect of their play and then try to find someone who got overpaid as a comparable and then say "see see Dubie didn't get bent over "
the comparable was McD as the ceiling and Eichel as the floor , they're both recent and accurate , there's no need to make up fairy tales
Mathews/JT/Marner all got overpaid and to a much lesser extent Willie , spin it as you like but it doesn't change the facts
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I don't understand what you're arguing.Sorry I shouldn't have used Cap Friendly. This is from Spotrac. Actual money to be received = $6.962 x 6 or $41,774,173. There should have been a dip of over $2M to drop the total deal under $40M if the year 1 money was reduced. The full $45M would have meant a $7.5M annual salary.
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YEAR AGE STATUS BASE SALARY SIGNING BONUS INCENTIVE CAP HIT CAP HIT % YEARLY CASH 2018-19 22 $6,774,193 $2,000,000 - $10,200,000 13.44% $8,774,193($8,774,193) 2019-20 23 $700,000 $8,300,000 - $6,962,366 8.48% $9,000,000($17,774,193) 2020-21 24 $2,500,000 $3,500,000 - $6,962,366 8.43% $6,000,000($23,774,193) 2021-22 25 $2,500,000 $3,500,000 - $6,962,366 10.25% $6,000,000($29,774,193) 2022-23 26 $2,500,000 $3,500,000 - $6,962,366 12.12% $6,000,000($35,774,193) 2023-24 27 $2,500,000 $3,500,000 - $6,962,366 13.62% $6,000,000($41,774,193)
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Nylander was paid 45 mil over 6 FULL years. 3 mil was subtracted out for the 3 months he sat out. So 42 mil x 5.6 seasons.
soooo wait. If the players play a pro rated reason now? Do their cap hits change? Embarassing.
remember the time when you argued the exact Opposite on the main boards?
Just like you flipped on Laines total goals.
And were just caught again arguing the exact opposite of what you argue here to try to get a ride out of people?
What’s the word for that?
did you realize that when you compare
All ELC production in the past 20 years.... Matthews was
4th in total goals
2nd in goals per game.
10th in total points
7th in ppg?
despite playing less min. As a C. On PP2 with rookies? Oh ya he also missed 30 games due to injury.
I think that’s good?
Fact is when you look at production on 5 year deals over the cap era. 14% is fair for his production. Better than many players.
mcdavid is a better player on a better contract. Sure. I would make the trade in a second.
But looking for outliers without explanation is foolish. Mcdavid signed a year Early. Without the known cap increase. When expansion could
Have blown up in the leagues face.
Matty signed when the cap was projected at 83 and was supposed to go up to 90plus in 3 years.
Mcdavid has a better contract. Sure. But look. Compare him to hart winner Drai this year.... or mackinnon
I’m sure if dubas signed Mcdavid to this contract would be complaining that he wasn’t 4 million better
Than drai or 6 million better than McKinnon
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when the team starts making deep playoff runs the fans will stop bringing it up
then again one more season of regression and the boy genius will be taking his prestigious sports management degree to the local Starbucks and join his fellow graduates as a barista so that'll also limit the contract discussion
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It's easy to compare using Cap % available. I believe it's what most people are using, and what I used to come up with my thoughts.
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