dukeofjive
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The game management by refs is the biggest issue with nhl.
How is it being abused? I still have yet to see anyone saying stuff like this provide any evidence the rule is being broken. Is he not injured or his surgery fake?LTIR was always fundamentally flawed and destined to be abused like this. So a player gets injured, and the league gives you cap space so you can replace them. When they come back, you are just expected to get back under. After the trade deadline, you basically cannot. Before the deadline, you could make trades to get back under but it's not an easy thing, especially if you're a team like Tampa with a 9 million cap hit injured.
Outside fans have an attitude like "tough, suffer then, you did this to yourself", but the league doesn't want that. They want it to run smoothly.
How would they do it? They’d have to remove the trade deadline, which won’t happen, or screw teams that have injuries forcing them to either trade that injured player they want to keep or icing a bad roster all year and hope they make the playoffsI dont blame Toronto or TB.
But i do think this loophole needs to be closed
To be honest i dont really understand why this havent happenend before. I dont see a single reason why playoffs shouldnt have a cap
I'd just audit injuries; what Toronto and Tampa is doing that's iffy is extending the LTIR time of Andersen and Kucherov when they might be able to come back earlier.
Heck, allow other teams to request an audit as a way to deal with the misincentives
I get that. but the player association wouldn't agree: players want to play.Or, if a player is on LTIR for 'x'% of the season (40%+?) then he's done for the entire season (including the playoffs). Give the player an appeals process, but otherwise, he's done for the year. Maybe a sliding scale where if he's hurt at the start of the season but is back & playing regularly during the 2nd half, the maximum % of missed games is reduced (keeping players from using the Long Term 'Injured' Resting up for the playoffs...)
Well, not exactly. Contracts are often insured. In that case, the team isn't paying the contract, the insurance company is (for part at least).Do you know who really gets hurt by this?
The non injured players.
Why?
Because payments on contracts under LTIR still count against the 50% rule. So, if Tampa or whoever replaced Kucherov's salary with someone else's, then Tampa is actually paying out more than 100% of their share of the players' share of HRR.
Therefore, escrow increases.
Now, of course, this year the escrow has a cap on it. But, still, the players are going to have to make that whole sometime in the future.
So if you ended up in a hospital for an extended amount of time you would say that you were quite literally being paid to not be at work?Dozens of players are quite literally being paid to not to be on the ice.
How would they do it? They’d have to remove the trade deadline, which won’t happen, or screw teams that have injuries forcing them to either trade that injured player they want to keep or icing a bad roster all year and hope they make the playoffs
Either you have the rule and keep it’s fairly uncommon/rarely significant “loophole” or close it and create new problems nobody would like
I saw a breakdown sometime back that had more examples both related to the LTIR issue and not I don’t remember every one, but for exampleSorry i domt wanna be ironic or sth and i dont know all the details of the cba
But i saw the trade deadline until now just as the last day you can trade. Why should the salary cap not be relevant? Usually you know how long your players will be out, so if you have no cap, you have no cap
I saw a breakdown sometime back that had more examples both related to the LTIR issue and not I don’t remember every one, but for example
the deadline essentially can be used by competitive teams to add players for a run sure, but also gives for-sure non-playoff building teams an opportunity to sell of their assets for building blocks while the competitive teams are more likely buying;
If you remove the trade deadline, a somewhat competitive team who decided to go for it, and failed can now get that advantage over playoff teams too, as opposed to waiting til the summer when every team opens up again affecting the market
also, they want as many teams as possible trying as hard as possible as much of the season as possible. If you’re going to commit at the deadline, you won’t be selling pieces before the season ends, you’re going for it
The NHL has a BIG problem, and that is it's a pain to watch on TV after ballsy took over...... you having a scrolling ticker filled with BS during the games = i am not watching anymoreSimply put, Cap Circumvention via LTIR
Teams like Tampa Bay and Toronto are using LTIR to bolster their rosters for the playoffs.
Kucherov being out the entire season, giving the Lightning $10.5M in extra cap relief throughout the season. But as soon as the playoffs come around, he can be activated off LTIR without a hiccup and Tampa will be playing in the playoffs with a roster that could have a cap hit north of $95M.
Toronto acquired Riley Nash from Columbus and it won’t count for a cent on their cap since he’s on LTIR and won’t be activated until the playoffs where there is no salary cap.
The Salary cap was created to give smaller market teams a fighting chance against the larger spending, big markets of the NHL. But with this LTIR loophole, it allows teams like Toronto and Tampa Bay extra cap space since in the playoffs, there is no salary cap.
There is a simple solution to this problem, have a salary cap in the playoffs. it would completely negate this loophole.
There's plenty of middle ground between what the NHL currently has and spending money for no reason. The NHL cap has no flexibility and just kills off most interesting teams.I mean, it was more about cost certainty than anything, not just to line owner's pockets. There's a reason pretty much all of the league's relocations happened before the hard cap came in, and the one that happened after had nothing to do with not being able to keep up pay-wise and more to do with ownership wanting nothing more but to kill that team off.
The cap makes it easier for teams in small markets to have a better chance at things when they don't have to constantly deal with major market teams just poaching all their players because they happen to be in larger markets and can shell out more money.
Plus it just saves owners from themselves, because another huge problem was team owners spending money without really any rhyme or reason, like the Rangers spent years doing after '94.
Well, not exactly. Contracts are often insured. In that case, the team isn't paying the contract, the insurance company is (for part at least).
That might also explain why the lower earning teams haven't made a stink about it.
The other factor is that players aren't paid at all in the playoffs. That could also be why there is no cap in the playoffs.