tigervixxxen
Optimism=Delusional
Nobody knows what authority or autonomy Sherman ever had either then or now. Eric Lacroix was really running the show back then.
The money was NOT wisely spent
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Rumplesnipeskin
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Just to throw in my two cents - I like the majority of the prospect and pipeline trades/signings. I am split on the major FA signings (e.g. main roster players).
Comeau - yuck
Beauchemin - love it, sure he has made mistakes, but he is a significant improvement and helps the team
Stuart - yuck x 2, we hoped for a Beauchemin and got a Quincey
Iginla - This one I love/hate. I know we wanted him for the scoring and leadership aspect, and he 100% delivers on that, but damn the guy is slowing down.
Soda - ehhhh. I think it's too early to tell on this one. He finds chemistry and adjusts his style, we may see a better second half from him. Admittedly lackluster so far.
Skille - Love this guy, great 4th liner with the ability to add some offensive spice to the mix. Maybe not a main roster signing initially, but I think he has found a home.
On the Staz debate - the guy was always leaving in my opinion, saw him in STL a lot during the summers leading up to his departure (I know that's his childhood home) with his brother and Blues players. His home was STL, not CO. You think STL was the highest/only offer at that salary he got? Staz wanted to be a Blue.
Comeau - yuck
Beauchemin - love it, sure he has made mistakes, but he is a significant improvement and helps the team
Stuart - yuck x 2, we hoped for a Beauchemin and got a Quincey
Iginla - This one I love/hate. I know we wanted him for the scoring and leadership aspect, and he 100% delivers on that, but damn the guy is slowing down.
Soda - ehhhh. I think it's too early to tell on this one. He finds chemistry and adjusts his style, we may see a better second half from him. Admittedly lackluster so far.
Skille - Love this guy, great 4th liner with the ability to add some offensive spice to the mix. Maybe not a main roster signing initially, but I think he has found a home.
On the Staz debate - the guy was always leaving in my opinion, saw him in STL a lot during the summers leading up to his departure (I know that's his childhood home) with his brother and Blues players. His home was STL, not CO. You think STL was the highest/only offer at that salary he got? Staz wanted to be a Blue.
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Comeau is very up and down, kind of like a winger version of John Mitchell.
I'm really not sure what people expected of Soderberg. He's on pace for 47 points, and he hasn't even been playing with that great of linemates all the time. He's barely spent time with any of our top 3 forwards, which people assumed he would be in the summer. People probably would have been happy with 50 points if he was centering Landy and MacK, like we all thought he was going to be. He's producing just fine and after a rough start, his defense has been better.
I'm really not sure what people expected of Soderberg. He's on pace for 47 points, and he hasn't even been playing with that great of linemates all the time. He's barely spent time with any of our top 3 forwards, which people assumed he would be in the summer. People probably would have been happy with 50 points if he was centering Landy and MacK, like we all thought he was going to be. He's producing just fine and after a rough start, his defense has been better.
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tigervixxxen
Optimism=Delusional
Rumplesnipeskin
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My perspective was based on seeing him regularly throughout the summers in STL, though I suppose I stand corrected.
I'm pretty sure that with even money on the table, Staz would've stayed with the Avs. They made the right financial decision though by not giving him the money he's getting in St. Louis.
I love Staz as a player I really do, he's just not a guy that's worth 7 million a year.
I love Staz as a player I really do, he's just not a guy that's worth 7 million a year.
Changes in the top 20 in games played by skaters
13-14: Stastny, PAP, Benoit, Sarich, Malone, Bordeleau
14-15: Iginla, Tanguay, Redmond, Stuart, Briere, Everberg
The 14-15 group even scored 24 more points than the 13-14 group.
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One could argue the only significant change was Stastny-Iginla.
Considering the Avs performance since the 13-14 season, perhaps he was worth more than the Avs/we want to admit.
take it easy, just stirring the pot a bit
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Stastny at 7 is much more valuable than Iginla at 5.33, there is no question in my mind. And i wasn't a big Stastny fan.
But, even if they produce at the same rate, Stastny does other things that don't show up on the score sheet.
Iginla is a liability when he is not shooting the puck.
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Yes, the Tanguay trade was the one good trade they've made so far. Everything else has been horrendous. We gave up a lot for Varly... What did we trade for Berra again? It's not too early to tell if we got fleeced in a trade, and yes we did in the O'reilly trade. This trade may look a little better in a few years, but i'm not holding my breath.
Without Hejda we wouldn't have made it to the playoffs a few years ago.
What's your point? We still don't really know how much authority Roy/Sakic has either. They give us a little info, but no one really knows. Sherman may not have been the go-to guy for deals and stuff but at least he hired the right people to make decent trades/signings. The current tandem is just reaping the benefits Sherman and co left them. Pretty much our whole core is from Sherman.
Since Roykic have been in charge we have given up more talent than we have received
RockLobster
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Yes, it's too early to say we "got fleeced" in the O'Reilly trade.
Good lord, I can't believe I had to type that...
Good lord, I can't believe I had to type that...
We don't know if we've lost more talent than we've gained since many of the real replacements haven't made t to the NHL yet.
Not in every instance have they been right, but they've made a lot of smart decisions.
I'll also add that they've added several young pieces that we can have optimism about.
Not in every instance have they been right, but they've made a lot of smart decisions.
I'll also add that they've added several young pieces that we can have optimism about.
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O'reilly continues to be one of the most underrated players on these boards.
Roy/Sakic have made more bad decisions than good when it comes to signings/trades
We had young pieces to look forward with/from Sherman and Co. Barrie, Siemens, Elliott, do I have to list the forwards?
Sakic should hire people to do better jobs. Thus far I like Sherman as a GM more. Sakic is my all time favorite player. I don't want to see more of Sherman's core gone. We have one of the better cores in the league. This team is much better than what it's showing. I'd rather get rid of rookie management/coaching before moving core players for futures. Just my own opinion. How dumb would the Oilers look right now if they traded
Hopkins/Yakupov
It's no coincidence we keep coming back in the 3rd. The 3rd period is what separates good teams from average teams.
Roy/Sakic have made more bad decisions than good when it comes to signings/trades
We had young pieces to look forward with/from Sherman and Co. Barrie, Siemens, Elliott, do I have to list the forwards?
Sakic should hire people to do better jobs. Thus far I like Sherman as a GM more. Sakic is my all time favorite player. I don't want to see more of Sherman's core gone. We have one of the better cores in the league. This team is much better than what it's showing. I'd rather get rid of rookie management/coaching before moving core players for futures. Just my own opinion. How dumb would the Oilers look right now if they traded
Hopkins/Yakupov
It's no coincidence we keep coming back in the 3rd. The 3rd period is what separates good teams from average teams.
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Gigantor The Goalie
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Please do. I'd love to hear how Mitchell Heard and Joey Hishon were going to turn this team around before Roy and co. screwed everything up. Let's not forget which group of complete and total managerial idiots decided that nowhere in the organization was a goaltending coach needed.
EDIT: I forget how important Elliott's 1 point in 7 games was or how Siemens was brought up and then sent back down multiple times by Roy.
dahrougem2
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I love the way Soderberg plays. I feel a calming presence every time he's on the ice, especially when he has the puck.
Please, I would LOVE you to list off all the great prospects from that regime. Take your time looking them up, too. Because you aren't going to remember them by memory.
You made literally no valid arguments here. Tyson Barrie and Ryan O'Reilly are the only players drafted outside of the 1st round who we developed. Matt Duchene and Gabriel Landeskog were top-3 picks.
Duchene Landeskog, O'reilly. I could say Mackinnon and Bigras since Sherman was still Gm during the draft.
Who has Roykic brought in that's going to flip this team?
Who has Roykic brought in?
So you're going to excuse the only good parts of the team because they are top picks as? pfffttt...
That one draft has brought in more players than Roykic has.
Holos had some hype. Other than that we didn't have much to look forward to for prospects because Sherman wasn't a good GM, Sakic is just worse.
Who has Roykic brought in that's going to flip this team?
Who has Roykic brought in?
So you're going to excuse the only good parts of the team because they are top picks as? pfffttt...
That one draft has brought in more players than Roykic has.
Holos had some hype. Other than that we didn't have much to look forward to for prospects because Sherman wasn't a good GM, Sakic is just worse.
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Gigantor The Goalie
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Oh come on. In no way does Sherman/Lacriox deserve credit for Duchene, Landeskog, or MacKinnon when those were picks anyone here could make and they nearly ruined them by having Joe Sacco as the head coach. At least Roy is using systems/playing players properly or do you forget Hunwick being consistently played more then EJ? I'll give the Avs org. credit for the O'Reilly pick.
Roy is not much better than Sacco... Are you serious? What system are we playing lol?
tigervixxxen
Optimism=Delusional
The era started when they took the job over, therefore they were in charge of the 2013 draft. Nobody has any real idea what Sherman did in the past, then and now. It's been described that he's the numbers guy, that's it.
Gigantor The Goalie
Speak for the Goalies
Roykic gets credit for developing EJ, Varly, Duchene, MacKinnon, Barrie, and Pickard. Or do I need to bring up the NO GOALIE COACHING problem again from the previous regime? They brought in a potential top pairing defenseman in Zadorov plus a blossoming top 6 player in Grigs. There is no way this organization was better in Lacriox's hands.
tigervixxxen
Optimism=Delusional
Sherman as the mythical "good GM" that people trot out as their "evidence" is not the same thing.
Gigantor The Goalie
Speak for the Goalies
.....no idea how to respond to that. Might need to pinch myself to make sure this is real.
dahrougem2
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You're simply arguing now for the sake of arguing. Do we have results yet? No, but the 2013, 2014, and 2015 drafts by Sakic and Roy look INFINITELY better than anything the previous regime ever did, save for 2009 when we snagged Duchene, O'Reilly, and Barrie in one draft
