Blue Jays Discussion: The "Let's blow up the team" edition

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Sweet, now we have four 1B.

Though I agree that Smoak is redundant, and that should have never become an issue, the defensive metrics on Bautista and his demise as a RF have been overstated.

If the shoulder is ok, which it should be by now, then I'm fine with having him there short-term, especially given who is in CF. (still hate you, Kevin)

 

[ShaneFalco]

Going to guess 1 yr/$18M, maybe a mutual option

Yeah that sounds reasonable

JB motivated and has to have a big year. I like it

 

[schenneuf]

Jose is atrocious defensively, screw the nerd stats.

 

[Eyedea]

Jose is atrocious defensively, screw the nerd stats.

You mean the stats that say he is atrocious on defense?

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Jose is atrocious defensively, screw the nerd stats.

Yeah...me saying he's not atrocious on defense is being kind of hand wavy to the stats.

 

[ShaneFalco]

 

[theaub]

Per the ol' catch radius charts, Bautista's instincts remained elite for an outfielder in 2016 and his range was below average, similar to 2015. The big loss was his arm dying

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/play...ayer_type=batter&season=2016&tab=defense_tab#

There have been far worse defensive corner outfielders.

 

[Clark4Ever]

This was great news to wake up to this morning. Considering how the off season has unfolded, this has to happen.

 

[Canada4Gold]

That's a little too much on the high end for my liking

 

[ShaneFalco]

Just saw that and don't mind those numbers at all
Someone needs to go though I think

 

[ShaneFalco]

http://jaysfromthecouch.com/2017/01/16/toronto-blue-jays-jose-bautista-together-mlb-news-hot-stove/

His bat in the lineup that features Josh Donaldson, Troy Tulowitzki, Russell Martin, and now Kendrys Morales and Steve Pearce has the ability to be rather dangerous. Bautista is a guy who bridges the gap between straightup power and setting the table. It should be fun to watch. It will be especially so if he plays with the chip on his shoulder that we know he is likely to have.



On Ep104 of the Jays Nest Podcast, which was recorded just hours before all of this broke, Keegan brought up a great point about Bautista having a monster season after suffering through a few months of watching the league pass him by over and over again. As Keegan mentioned, when you come up and in on Bautista, he gets angry and hits one out. Well, the whole league has just come up and in on him this winter, which means his 2017 season has the potential to be rather huge.

 

[Greek_physique]

I think the contract isn't too bad...especially for 2 years.

We have so many UFA next year that guys will be coming off the books.

Example: Liriano, Estrada

We can use that to re-sign Donaldson and be in a good position still.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

That's a little too much on the high end for my liking

At this point I'm shocked either party is talking about anything more than a one-year deal. But this would be really good news.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Highlander23]

Frankly i'm not happy with his return. Say what you want, but he seems to think this franchise owes him seomthing (while its actually the opposite)

 

[ShaneFalco]

I think he got a wake up call and really does want to be here

 

[Greek_physique]

Frankly i'm not happy with his return. Say what you want, but he seems to think this franchise owes him seomthing (while its actually the opposite)

It's potentially his last 'big contract'...everyone always looks out for themselves.

Joey Bats is still a good player..

 

[doorman]

http://jaysfromthecouch.com/2017/01/16/toronto-blue-jays-jose-bautista-together-mlb-news-hot-stove/

This "anger or chip on his shoulder" is why I like a one year deal. It isn't that don't think he can be productive, but if he has a great 2017 does he get pissy he is being"underpaid" going into 2018? If he doesn't and produces yet again he may land a DH spot somewhere.

 

[le_sean]

Ugh I'd be okay if he was just a full-time DH. I can't stand him being in the field.

 

[Greek_physique]

Ugh I'd be okay if he was just a full-time DH. I can't stand him being in the field.

I think he'll play all positions to be honest.

First, OF and DH.

 

[Amadeus]

I'm really happy about this.

 

[ShaneFalco]

It's potentially his last 'big contract'...everyone always looks out for themselves.

Joey Bats is still a good player..

Most would complain if he signed elsewhere
the guy can still hit, very well

 

[Greek_physique]

Moist would complain if he signed elsewhere
the guy can still hit, very well

Having him in the middle of your lineup is better then seeing Martin at 5 IMO.

Davis
Donald
Joey Bats
Morales
Tulo

I'm still happy with that lineup...not sure how bringing him back for 2 years is a bad move.

 

[le_sean]

Still the same problem of the lineup being too RH without and actual lefty smashers (save for Pearce and Melvin).

 

[zeke]

they had to do this.

but unfortunately this offseason is pretty much coming down to replacing Encarnacion with morales.

they could have knocked this offseason out of the park.

hopefully the batted ball data on morales gives us some career best performance out of him.