NeedleInTheHay
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The least likeable Pens HFBoard ever?
Absolutely, this used to be a great discussion board about the team.
The least likeable Pens HFBoard ever?
To those who hate DB, of course they think he's arrogant or incompetent. When a coach is unsure of himself and his coaching the entire team falls apart. His ways are what got the 2011 Pens to the playoffs without Sid and Geno. It's also what gave them a 15 point lead in their division despite 400+ man games lost to injury.
On the other hand, it is concerning that his team often underperform in the playoffs. Not that they played badly in 2010 vs Montreal or 2011 vs Tampa. They were easily the better team in both series. People only remember losses, not how you lost.
With that said, even though I'm a DB and Shero supporter (more so Shero than DB), if they underperform in these playoffs it's time for a change.
Absolutely, this used to be a great discussion board about the team.
So now a dynasty is a cup, 2 first round exits, and then a cup?
The driving force behind much of this thread is this: people being unable or unwilling to understand that some people enjoy sports with a critical eye.
We're not worse fans than you, just different.
Instead of belittling the critics, why don't you counter any of the points that I made in my OP. I'm curious to see where you think I'm out of step.
Absolutely, this used to be a great discussion board about the team.
You're right. All's well in Penguin Land. Plan the parade, boys! If you're not blindly faithful in the team and think Bylsma and Shero are the all-knowing ones, your point of view is unconscionable.
I wish people stop whining about the discussions going on by those who are fed up and voicing their opinions/venting frustrations. Not everyone's going to be on the same page, especially when a team has as many issues as this one does.
If you don't agree, either move along or post an argument discussing why you disagree. Simple as that. Doesn't seem that hard.
You should use the SMUG Blysma JPG as your profile pic, sums you up perfectly. The reason you won't respond is that there isn't a defense to be made on the points that I made. Defend Sutter or Adams, you can't. Defend Shero trading a bundle for Iggy only to have Bylsma misuse him, you can't.
Adams, Pyatt, and Bylsma can all be fired tomorrow and I'd be perfectly happy. Yes this team has issues but so does every other single team in a cap era. The pens have one of the 7 best shots at the cup this year so the incessant whining gets real old, why can't the board have a middle ground?
You're right. All's well in Penguin Land. Plan the parade, boys! If you're not blindly faithful in the team and think Bylsma and Shero are the all-knowing ones, your point of view is unconscionable.
I wish people stop whining about the discussions going on by those who are fed up and voicing their opinions/venting frustrations. Not everyone's going to be on the same page, especially when a team has as many issues as this one does.
If you don't agree, either move along or post an argument discussing why you disagree. Simple as that. Doesn't seem that hard.
Brooks Orpik knows the book on the Penguins. It is a best seller in hockey circles.
“Every team knows it,” Orpik said. “Target certain guys, and try to get under our skin. (Opponents) know eventually they can get us off of our game and get us to lose our focus.
There is a line, and the Penguins too often cross it, Glass said.
“Retaliation is almost always over the line,” he said. “I don't know why we're not learning.”
Defenseman Deryk Engelland guessed how that happens. It is from the action he takes against opponents' stars.
“A little whack in the back of the legs, finishing every hit or between-whistles bumping a guy as he goes to the bench,” Engelland said. “You want to just a guy know you're around, see if you can get him thinking more about you than playing hockey.”
Neal said “that stuff” is most prominent in the playoffs.
“You've got to let it go and work through it, not let it bother you and try to not let it affect your play,” Neal said.
“It starts with guys like myself.”
You should use the SMUG Blysma JPG as your profile pic, sums you up perfectly. The reason you won't respond is that there isn't a defense to be made on the points that I made. Defend Sutter or Adams, you can't. Defend Shero trading a bundle for Iggy only to have Bylsma misuse him, you can't.
What do people - seriously - expect of Sutter? I've never understood the issues you all have with him. He's a 3rd line center, if you look at offensive production, he performs right around or above other 3rd liners(all the while playing with Adams, Pyatt, and Glass fairly regularly), and if I recall correctly, is in the top 15 of all centers for defensive advanced stats.
With Iggy, you had 2 seasons of "the best line in Hockey", which WAS all Crosby, but you would be hard pressed to find a professional coach that would break up Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis over the past two seasons, regardless of it being misguided, that's just how it would be with anyone.
Shero tried to make his team better and prohibit other Eastern Conference powerhouses from getting better. This one is. . .Quite easy to defend.
Adams and Orpik are the only two players I have a large issue with, but I wouldn't replace them with guys with little to no experience, I don't know why a bunch of couch-coaches think putting a bunch of Despres-like spazzes on the ice will be better than what we have now when it comes to the playoffs.
Bylsma is a mediocre coach, he is not as bad as this forum would have you believe, and he's not as good as media makes him seem. He is remarkably average.
What do people - seriously - expect of Sutter? I've never understood the issues you all have with him.
He's a 3rd line center, if you look at offensive production, he performs right around or above other 3rd liners(all the while playing with Adams, Pyatt, and Glass fairly regularly), and if I recall correctly, is in the top 15 of all centers for defensive advanced stats.
With Iggy, you had 2 seasons of "the best line in Hockey", which WAS all Crosby, but you would be hard pressed to find a professional coach that would break up Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis over the past two seasons, regardless of it being misguided, that's just how it would be with anyone.
Adams and Orpik are the only two players I have a large issue with, but I wouldn't replace them with guys with little to no experience, I don't know why a bunch of couch-coaches think putting a bunch of Despres-like spazzes on the ice will be better than what we have now when it comes to the playoffs.
I recognised the tone. It was knowing, cold, full of the contempt that the calculator feels for those who don’t play the odds. It was the voice of the Yankee fan. The Yankees have won the American League pennant twenty times in the past thirty years; they have been the world’s champion sixteen times in that period. Over the years, many of their followers have come to watch them with the stolidity, the smugness, and the arrogance of blue-chip stocks. These fans expect no less than perfection. They coolly accept the late-inning rally, the winning homer, as only their due. They are apt to take defeat with ill grace, and they treat their stars as though they were executives hired to protect their interests. During a slump or a losing streak, these capitalists are quick and shrill with their complaints: “They ought to do better than this, considering what they’re being paid!â€
Suddenly the Mets fans made sense to me. What we were witnessing was precisely the opposite of the kind of rooting that goes on across the river. This was the losing cheer, the gallant yell for a good try — antimatter to the sounds of Yankee Stadium. This was a new recognition that perfection is admirable but a trifle inhuman, and that a stumbling kind of semi-success can be much more warming. Most of all, perhaps, these exultant yells for the Mets were also yells for ourselves, and came from a wry, half-understood recognition that there is more Met than Yankee in every one of us.