The Jets' RFAs in 2016

[10Ducky10]

What do we do with them?
Here are my opinions...

Scheif 7 x 6m per
Trouba 2 x 4m per
Armia 2 x 2m per
Lowry 2 x 1.75m per
Hutch 2 x 700k per
Lipon 2 x 850k
Cormier minor league two way contract
Kichton minor league two way contract
Brassard minor league two way contract
MacWilliam minor league two way contract
Melchiori minor league two way contract

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[mcpw]

MacWilliam minor league two way contract
Melchiori minor league two way contract

send these two far far away pls

maybe they can play in some rec league in austria

 

[heilongjetsfan]

send these two far far away pls

maybe they can play in some rec league in austria

Or they can come teach English in China with me! It'd be good to have some more dudes to play street hockey with. My town doesn't have a rink yet

 

[KingBogo]

What do we do with them?
Here are my opinions...

Scheif 7 x 6m per
Trouba 2 x 4m per
Armia 2 x 2m per
Lowry 2 x 1.75m per
Hutch 2 x 700k per
Lipon 2 x 850k
Cormier minor league two way contract
Kichton minor league two way contract
Brassard minor league two way contract
MacWilliam minor league two way contract
Melchiori minor league two way contract

Not bad guesses though I think they move on from Hutch unless he signs a 2-way and is willing to be Comrie's backup on the Moose. I'd prefer to buyout Pavs or if possible move him, but I think we see a Helly/Pavs tandem with the Jets next season.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Cormier is a group 6 UFA. I doubt he resigns with the Jets.

I don't think Melchiori, MacWilliam or Brassard will get QO's so they will end up UFA's as well.

Others will get QO's

 

[Duke749]

Hope they let Cormier go. Long past time to move on.

 

[Dayofthedogs]

My guess is

Scheif @ 8y x 6.75 Mil
Troub @ 2y x 3.5 Mil (although with his agent it might get ugly)
Armia @ 2y x 1.5
Lowry @ 2y x 1.5
Hutch.... I have no idea
Lipon will be on a 2 way somewhere around league min
Kitchon and Brassard get contracts of some kind too

 

[Boxertim]

schief will probably get a bridge deal too.

cormier won't sigg a two way

trouba gets Maata money


smart idea to sign hutch

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

Cormier is a group 6 UFA. I doubt he resigns with the Jets.

I don't think Melchiori, MacWilliam or Brassard will get QO's so they will end up UFA's as well.

Others will get QO's

Cormier was a UFA last year and he re signed as well. I do not think he has many options and TNSE and him have history together. I see him being retained again.

MacWillian......... run away run away.

Brassard ..... I also see getting a QO

I hope we sign Phillips from the college........ dump Oliie O and either try and move Pav or 2nd trade Hutch at the Draft for a late pick.

 

[cbcwpg]

What do we do with them?
Here are my opinions...

Scheif 7 x 6m per
Trouba 2 x 4m per
Armia 2 x 2m per
Lowry 2 x 1.75m per
Hutch 2 x 700k per
Lipon 2 x 850k
Cormier minor league two way contract
Kichton minor league two way contract
Brassard minor league two way contract
MacWilliam minor league two way contract
Melchiori minor league two way contract

Scheif - give him what he wants
Trouba - 2 year bridge. Value it as low as you can get. Just don't see Trouba's play being worth what it's said his agent is asking for. Not yet anyways.
Armia - 2 x 1.5
Lowry - 2 x 1.4

Everyone else... gone.

 

[PhilJets]

2M is too high for Armia

 

[Derfel*]

My take:

Scheifele 6 x 6.5m av
Trouba 5 x 5.5m av
Armia 2 x 2.5m av
Lowry 2 x 1.25m per
Hutch TRADE
Lipon 2 x 850k
Cormier minor league two way contract
Kichton minor league two way contract
Brassard minor league two way contract
MacWilliam minor league two way contract
Melchiori minor league two way contract

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

What do we do with them?
Here are my opinions...

Scheif 7 x 6m per
Trouba 2 x 4m per
Armia 2 x 2m per
Lowry 2 x 1.75m per
Hutch 2 x 700k per
Lipon 2 x 850k
Cormier minor league two way contract
Kichton minor league two way contract
Brassard minor league two way contract
MacWilliam minor league two way contract
Melchiori minor league two way contract

All those minor league contracts mean AHL contracts which are not 2 way. Sounds right for those guys. Really can't see any of them being picked up by other orgs. Europe might be an option for 1 or 2 of them.

I wouldn't have MacWilliam back if he wanted to pay TNSE. I'll guess Cormier ends up in Europe so that leaves Kichton, Brassard, Melchiori with AHL contracts.

Trouba's bridge deal will be closer to 3 than to 4. Maata got 4milx6 years. No way Armia has earned 2 mil. More like 1.2-1.5 IMO.

Edit: Related question. Who joins our AHL team next year? Lemieux, Poolman. Anyone else? There may be a few holes to fill. Maybe Glover, Kraskovsky, Nogier.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Not exactly sure what a nimor league two way contract us. All 2 way contracts are NHL contracts. Minor league contracts are AHL only.

 

[Gm0ney]

Scheif 2 x 3M bridge
Trouba 2 x 3M bridge
Armia 2 x 1.5M
Lowry 2 x 1.5M
Lipon 2 x 850k
Hutch - released/UFA
Cormier - AHL deal
Kichton - two way deal
Brassard - AHL deal
MacWilliam - Fired into the sun
Melchiori - AHL deal

We're pinching pennies this summer, I think.

 

[mcpw]

Edit: Related question. Who joins our AHL team next year? Lemieux, Poolman. Anyone else? There may be a few holes to fill. Maybe Glover, Kraskovsky, Nogier.

Hope they fill some of the holes with quality AHL players instead of kids...

Lemieux is the only player who is guaranteed. Possibilities are:

Phillips - must be signed or he turns UFA in August.
Nogier - must be signed or he re-enters draft. Is it worth it, though?
Spacek - eligible due to being drafted out of Europe, why did his production go down as much, though? Maybe keep him in Junior for another year.
Kraskovsky - KHL contract for 2 more seasons, don't know about clauses.
Niku - Liiga contract for 2 more seasons, don't know about clauses.
Poolman - one more year of college eligibility, will he sign or play it out?
Connor - who knows.
Roslovic - I don't think so.
Other college players - unlikely.

 

[gbill2004*]

Scheifele I'm convinced is the real deal. I'd give him a long term deal like 7-8 years at $6.6-7M AAV.

Trouba, I still need to see more, and I see him as risky, due to his lack of commitment to his conditioning and his craft, compared to Scheifele. I'd go bridge with Trouba at 2 years $4M AAV.

Lowry and Armia are both bridge candidates as well, 2 years around $1.5-2M each. Lowry probably a little more because he has a larger body of work.

 

[Grind]

i'm all about maximizing my value.

If i'm signing a guy like scheifele or trouba long term, i want the full 8 years. Otherwise they get a a bridge deal (1 or two years) first.

No way i'm leaving them up to be UFA at 28. (one thing i found very weird about the maata contract)


Scheif 8 x 6m per or bridge
Trouba 8 x 5.25 m per or bridge (1-2 years?) [4.5, 4.5, 5, 5, ,5.5, 5.5, 6, 6,]
Armia 1 x 1.5m per (if they perform/improve follow up with more term)
Lowry 1 x 1.5m per (if they perform/improve follow up with more term)
Hutch 2 x 700k per
Lipon 2 x 850k
Kichton 1 x 850
Cormier- cut em loose
Brassard - cut em loose
MacWilliam - cut em loose
Melchiori- cut em loose

 

[Joe Hallenback]

By all accounts Brassard has been pretty good this year. I think they probably qualify him

 

[Evil Little]

Cormier is a group 6 UFA. I doubt he resigns with the Jets.

You think there's going to be a line of NHL GMs outside his door? He's going to go group 6 because he's a minor leaguer.

i'm all about maximizing my value.

If i'm signing a guy like scheifele or trouba long term, i want the full 8 years. Otherwise they get a a bridge deal (1 or two years) first.

No way i'm leaving them up to be UFA at 28. (one thing i found very weird about the maata contract)


Scheif 8 x 6m per or bridge
Trouba 8 x 5.25 m per or bridge (1-2 years?) [4.5, 4.5, 5, 5, ,5.5, 5.5, 6, 6,]
Armia 1 x 1.5m per (if they perform/improve follow up with more term)
Lowry 1 x 1.5m per (if they perform/improve follow up with more term)
Hutch 2 x 700k per
Lipon 2 x 850k
Kichton 1 x 850
Cormier- cut em loose
Brassard - cut em loose
MacWilliam - cut em loose
Melchiori- cut em loose

I agree, but I think that Määttä probably gave up cash for those two years back. In any case, I don't advocate signing Trouba or Scheifele to anything between 2 and 7 years.

You need to get at least four UFA years coming out of the bridge. Don't mind six.

And Kichton should get a two-way.

 

[Huffer]

i'm all about maximizing my value.

If i'm signing a guy like scheifele or trouba long term, i want the full 8 years. Otherwise they get a a bridge deal (1 or two years) first.

No way i'm leaving them up to be UFA at 28. (one thing i found very weird about the maata contract)


Scheif 8 x 6m per or bridge
Trouba 8 x 5.25 m per or bridge (1-2 years?) [4.5, 4.5, 5, 5, ,5.5, 5.5, 6, 6,]
Armia 1 x 1.5m per (if they perform/improve follow up with more term)
Lowry 1 x 1.5m per (if they perform/improve follow up with more term)
Hutch 2 x 700k per
Lipon 2 x 850k
Kichton 1 x 850
Cormier- cut em loose
Brassard - cut em loose
MacWilliam - cut em loose
Melchiori- cut em loose

I'm good with all of these.

 

[JC Numminen]

Scheif: 7x6.75m
Trouba: 2x4m
Armia: Either 2 or 3 years x 2m
Lowry 2x1.5m
Hutch: Two way, 2x600K
Lipon: 2x850K
Kitchton: 2x800K

The rest can either come back on AHL deals, or sign elsewhere

 

[Coach G]

I think everyone is over-estimating Armia's price. To some extent, Lowry's, too. I have high hopes for Joel over the next few years, but there's no reason to pay him for his potential, especially short-term. You pay him for what he HAS done, even when you know (or suspect) that he can and will do much more. One million x 2.

 

[cheswick]

Ryan Murray just signed a bridge for 2x$2.825 and people are pegging Trouba at 2x$4?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Hope they fill some of the holes with quality AHL players instead of kids...

Lemieux is the only player who is guaranteed. Possibilities are:

Phillips - must be signed or he turns UFA in August.
Nogier - must be signed or he re-enters draft. Is it worth it, though?
Spacek - eligible due to being drafted out of Europe, why did his production go down as much, though? Maybe keep him in Junior for another year.
Kraskovsky - KHL contract for 2 more seasons, don't know about clauses.
Niku - Liiga contract for 2 more seasons, don't know about clauses.
Poolman - one more year of college eligibility, will he sign or play it out?
Connor - who knows.
Roslovic - I don't think so.
Other college players - unlikely.

Forgot Phillips and Spacek. Phillips should be in the A next year I think. Spacek ???
Nogier - Will never score beans. Is his defense worth developing?
Poolman - I think age says now or never.
Connor - NHL is almost certain, though maybe a short stint in the A.
Roslovic - 1 more year.

Scheifele I'm convinced is the real deal. I'd give him a long term deal like 7-8 years at $6.6-7M AAV.

Trouba, I still need to see more, and I see him as risky, due to his lack of commitment to his conditioning and his craft, compared to Scheifele. I'd go bridge with Trouba at 2 years $4M AAV.

Lowry and Armia are both bridge candidates as well, 2 years around $1.5-2M each. Lowry probably a little more because he has a larger body of work.

I agree except for your numbers. At that level you are giving away the financial advantage of the long term deal for Scheif. He should still get a little less than Barkov if it is 6 years and a little more if it is 8. So 8x6.2 or 6x5.5-5.8 is my guesstimate.

Trouba doesn't bridge at 4. That's just shy of what he would get for 6 years. A bridge deal for Trouba is 3 or <.

Neither Lowry nor Armia has earned a nickel more than 1.5.

i'm all about maximizing my value.

If i'm signing a guy like scheifele or trouba long term, i want the full 8 years. Otherwise they get a a bridge deal (1 or two years) first.

No way i'm leaving them up to be UFA at 28. (one thing i found very weird about the maata contract)


Scheif 8 x 6m per or bridge
Trouba 8 x 5.25 m per or bridge (1-2 years?) [4.5, 4.5, 5, 5, ,5.5, 5.5, 6, 6,]
Armia 1 x 1.5m per (if they perform/improve follow up with more term)
Lowry 1 x 1.5m per (if they perform/improve follow up with more term)
Hutch 2 x 700k per
Lipon 2 x 850k
Kichton 1 x 850
Cormier- cut em loose
Brassard - cut em loose
MacWilliam - cut em loose
Melchiori- cut em loose

I think the term is a little trickier than the way you are putting it. The next contract starting when they are 28 or 29 might be better than if they are 30 or 31. At the higher age you have a situation like Ladd's. They are too good to let them go but not good enough to justify their next contract. I would rather be signing them for another 6 at 29 than another 6 at 31. That and the AAV is lower for 6 than it is for 8. Considering those 2 factors the 6 year deal may be better for all concerned. There are pros and cons to each.