We've certainly fired enough coaches to know we can't do that, but hasn't stopped the team from firing a HC every 3 seasons or so. That's a good indication to me how successful the team is. I doubt if we have predecessors to JD or Jarmo on our staff. That's the thing, they guys developed are usually like their bosses. And I don't really think we are looking for hockey lifers. Now if you have the right person (regardless if they played in the league or have worked in the league) that's great. Seems like the tough competition thing follows us around. When we were in the West we dealt with the same thing. Maybe it has to do with playing against the CBJ makes other teams look better (especially better teams who outside of a couple games we haven't played that well against). Leads me back to ownership. Maybe they need to know what they really want. Mr Mc brought IDWT here and gave him too much power. Howson had a lot of fixing up to do but couldn't get us beyond average. So they went to JD who has made the team consistently better overall (more consistent, but still hasn't advanced any where), but we'll soon see how much of that was a result of having a Vezina level goalie to make up for the lack of depth on offense.