Marchessault trade was made in era of computer boys BUT WAS TALLON trade, was it just because it's bad. Smells a rat.
I don't want him back here, please.
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Marchessault trade was made in era of computer boys BUT WAS TALLON trade, was it just because it's bad. Smells a rat.
I don't want him back here, please.
Blackhawkswincup
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That article is clearly a hit piece
The disparaging of Dave Bolland with regard to Sedins is absurdly false
All of us who watched Bolland saw first hand his effect on Sedins especially in 2011 series
Bolland deal was bad deal and had far too much risk and Dale deserves the flak for giving him that but they can do that without rewriting history and trashing Bolland and what he did
The disparaging of Dave Bolland with regard to Sedins is absurdly false
All of us who watched Bolland saw first hand his effect on Sedins especially in 2011 series
Bolland deal was bad deal and had far too much risk and Dale deserves the flak for giving him that but they can do that without rewriting history and trashing Bolland and what he did
ClydeLee
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No it wasn't
Tallon was in charge of the expansion draft. He was put back fully in charge in that April.
He used Marchessault to get rid of Reilly and protected Pysk and Petrovic. The only excuse is he was apparently ordered to cut costs which he could of some other ways, but again why are they demanding cuts the years after okaying several big salary additions?
I recall thinking of the Bolland deal as part of needing to hit cap floors anyway and all.
Any Colour You Like
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Tallon was so bad in Florida it was actually remarkable. Brutal contracts, brutal drafting, brutal trades. The Barzal/Connor/Konecny story is nightmare fuel.
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BK
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BK
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Spencer Knight would be my target. Q loves certain guys and I would try to use that.
BK
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Crazy but I would do it. I like Saad on this team but Knight is going to be a good one.
JaegerDice
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Knight isn't NHL ready yet though. So we're going to need a bridge starter until he is. Is that Crawford? Or somebody else?
BK
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He is closer than you think but you make that trade then sign Crow to a cheaper 2 year deal and we are set.
that would be a terrible idea. Unless they decide that they are going full rebuild.
Also, Q probably gets a say but it’s analytics FO now in Florida.
KK might be of interest since he’s a stat guy along with the good last round. You might be able to sell high on him.
JaegerDice
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Analytics wouldn't be the reason Saad is turned down. His underlying numbers have been excellent.
agreed but for the blackhawks that specifically is a bad deal as they are not in a full rebuild and they really don’t have a saad like player anywhere on the roster or system at this point.
Connolly would be a good target as he’s probably a tad overpaid for what Florida wants at 3.5 mill for a couple years but he’s basically a finished version of probably what Nylander we hope is going to be(15-25 goals, 35-50 points)
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Kevin Musto
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Saad for Knight is such an easy trade to make. Doesn't even matter if Knight is another 2 years away from playing in the NHL. That's your franchise goalie of the future right there. Meanwhile Saad is an expiring UFA and likely not apart of the future.
Florida would be so stupid to do that trade.
Florida would be so stupid to do that trade.
hockeydoug
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Bolland's results were replicated by other teams...and he couldn't be relied upon to stay health. Murphy and DeHaan are lower risk. He's not Buff level of unicorn legend, but it was close. Obviously a good player when healthy, I just thought he was drastically overvalued defensively relative to other shutdown type of centers.
JaegerDice
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He may very well believe this. And if he does, I have no problem with it. Kuemper has been EXCELLENT.
That said, I imagine every damn hockey player claims their goalie at the time is the best goalie they've ever played with or 'as good as any goalie I've ever played with'.
That's not a knock on him, that's just hockey culture.
Callidusblackhawk
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What really set him apart was he scored like a good 2C in the playoffs while filling a checking line role.
JaegerDice
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The Sedins had 11 points in 6 games in 2009, 10 points in 6 games in 2010. They weren't really 'shut down'. Were they annoyed? Absolutely. Did they take stupid penalties that led to goals against? Definitely. Could they have scored even more if Bolland wasn't checking them? Possible but not proveable.
I can look up the underlying numbers if you like, but generally speaking checking centers are typically underwater in possession. That's the job.
Bolland's shutdown impact was felt much more in the Sharks series, where he kept Joe Thornton to 1 point over 4 games.
In any case, if you're giving Bolland 5 million a year based on something he did in 2010, you're an idiot. Anybody watching the Blackhawks in 2013 could see Bolland was barely keeping up and basically held together with ductape.
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It's surprising considering he played with prime Lundqvist in Sweden at the Olympics. I would've thought that was the best goalie he's ever played with unless he meant just the NHL.
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