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It is laughable at best to say Murphy is a # 5D. Murphy if is a good #3/4D.
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It is laughable at best to say Murphy is a # 5D. Murphy if is a good #3/4D.
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BK
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This is not true at all. On a contender, he is a #4. He is just as talented/skilled as Johnny Oduya.
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I think he's a #4 on a legitimate contender, personally.
I think they hoped he'd round into a #3, but he's 27 now and I'm not confident he's going to get much better. Paired with a good PMD, he'd be a nice SAH or safety-valve type dman on a good 2nd pair. Not somebody that would carry a 2nd pair, but not somebody that would weigh it down.
In short, I think he can play up to the guy you put him with, to a 2nd pairing ceiling. The Blackhawks just don't have many of those guys right now.
I think he has the tools to be as good as Oduya performed. But to date, he hasn't performed to that level.
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JaegerDice
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That's true. As I said in my post, I think he's a guy that can play up to a great partner.
But let's not forget that Oduya helped Hammer a lot too. 2012 was not a kind year for Hammer until Oduya showed up. That season, he could basically be seen blindly back-handing the puck up the wall every shift.
I think a lot of people undervalue Oduya (not necessarily you, just in general) at his best.
BK
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Oduya was always undervalued.
I agree that Murphy can play up and that is a skill that not everyone has.
You're right that he's been getting top 4 ice time and I was stretching negative to say 4/5. I do agree with JD that he seems to be more 4 than 3, and it's quite possible I'd like him more with a solid, consistent partner. It feels like the D has been patchwork the entire time he's been here.
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Yes, I'm amazed there is even a debate about it. Hjalmarsson's decline was well underway, that was a very good trade for Chicago.
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Hjalmarsson had 3 of the 4 lines pretty much set in front of him for most of his time in Chicago too. 12' being about the only exception. Give any defenseman that kind of consistency, paired with a vet goalie and they're going to look much bettter than in the current Hawks' situation.
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Steve Sullivan is the interim GM for Yotes with Chayka departure
Would be nice to see Sullivan as permanent GM
Would be nice to see Sullivan as permanent GM
BK
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How long has he been in the Assistant GM there? I am seeing that he joined as a Developmental Coach in September of 2014 so I wonder if he has enough front office experience.
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BK
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2 years is not too bad but it not a lot of experience either.
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JaegerDice
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BK
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Yes he was but part of that time is as a developmental coach.
I am simply stating I want 4-5 years of FO experience minimum.
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Watched the last bit of the Florida-Tampa game and Q looked so pissed. I fully expect the whole team was called 'ordinary' and 'just ok'.
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“Fine” was Q speak for dog shit.
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"not bad" was Q speak for elite.
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His incompetence was just.... wow.
Search for 'Tallon' in the linked article to skip the Canucks/playoffs content and go straight to the break down of his failures.
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