Blue Jays Discussion: The Good News: ALCS. the Bad News: More Harold Reynolds.

[Trouba95*]

Anish...you don't know what wRC+ is? And they are all right, Saunders is better hitter than Revere when healthy. Stop being so fixated on his .300 average.

 

[mikebel111*]

but u gotta wonder how many times revere beat out the call at 1st base that saunders wouldnt have. that lead the way for a few jd hits

read the post below yours.

Also Revere is highly unlikely to be resigned. We have a better version on Revere in Pompey. I don't want to pay 8-9 million for someone like Revere

 

[mikebel111*]

Anish...you don't know what wRC+ is? And they are all right, Saunders is better hitter than Revere when healthy. Stop being so fixated on his .300 average.

but he is a hit king because of soft singles

 

[TF97]

Anish...you don't know what wRC+ is? And they are all right, Saunders is better hitter than Revere when healthy. Stop being so fixated on his .300 average.

It almost seems like you're surprised by the fact that he has no clue what wRC+ is

 

[rent free]

that is completely irrelevant to the argument.

To jump onto the point that you quoted, part of the reason why ben revere is not a good lead-off is because when you watch his abs, he either bats a single, or gets a routine groundout/flyout/etc. He's not a multifaceted enough hitter compared to the big bats, and even the bottom of the order. Without the single, he's completely useless. Sure he has the speed to steal bases, but if you need to rely solely on stealing bases, then there's something wrong with the diversity of your toolbox (or lack thereof). the jays need a better bat at #1.

same thing could be said bout pompey. Jays only used him for his base stealing ability

 

[Woodman19]

Let me try and make an analogy for people who wont look up advaced stats.

Batting average is like counting how much money you have by counting the total number of bills.

OPS is counting how much total money you have.

wRC+ is like comparing how much money you have relative to everyone else.

So if you look at Revere, he has the most $1 bills of anyone out there for a grand total of $10.

Bautista has only 7 bills, but he has three 5's and four 1's for a grand total of $19 (almost double Revere).

The average person in our league has $12. So judging by that, Revere has 83% what the average is or a "83". Bautista has 158% of the average or "158".

That in a nutshell is a dumbed down example of the logic behind some stats.

 

[Trouba95*]

Let me try and make an analogy for people who wont look up advaced stats.

Batting average is like counting how much money you have by counting the total number of bills.

OPS is counting how much total money you have.

wRC+ is like comparing how much money you have relative to everyone else.

So if you look at Revere, he has the most $1 bills of anyone out there for a grand total of $10.

Bautista has only 7 bills, but he has three 5's and four 1's for a grand total of $19 (almost double Revere).

The average person in our league has $12. So judging by that, Revere has 83% what the average is or a "83". Bautista has 158% of the average or "158".

That in a nutshell is a dumbed down example of the logic behind some stats.

Thank you. That's a great analogy. Here you go, Anish.

 

[rent free]

anish...you don't know what wrc+ is? And they are all right, saunders is better hitter than revere when healthy. Stop being so fixated on his .300 average.

then y they get him? To get on base and get hits. Sure its only singles but at least he can get singles and hit them quite frequently

 

[rent free]

thank you. that's a great analogy. Here you go, anish.

ur welcome

 

[TF97]

same thing could be said bout pompey. Jays only used him for his base stealing ability

Pompey has some pop and is a good defender. He isn't just a "base stealer". That might be his current role right now, but he is much better than that.

 

[Trouba95*]

ur welcome

Read what he posted and then tell me Revere is a productive hitter. He's below average. And his arm is awful.

 

[TF97]

Let me try and make an analogy for people who wont look up advaced stats.

Batting average is like counting how much money you have by counting the total number of bills.

OPS is counting how much total money you have.

wRC+ is like comparing how much money you have relative to everyone else.

So if you look at Revere, he has the most $1 bills of anyone out there for a grand total of $10.

Bautista has only 7 bills, but he has three 5's and four 1's for a grand total of $19 (almost double Revere).

The average person in our league has $12. So judging by that, Revere has 83% what the average is or a "83". Bautista has 158% of the average or "158".

That in a nutshell is a dumbed down example of the logic behind some stats.

 

[rent free]

pompey has some pop and is a good defender. He isn't just a "base stealer". That might be his current role right now, but he is much better than that.

well they used him at the end of this season as a base stealer

 

[JS19]

same thing could be said bout pompey. Jays only used him for his base stealing ability

To be fair to Pompey, he was managed to be the base thief in certain situations during the playoffs and has been primarily a bench player. That's not the same as acquiring an OF with the intention of making him bat #1.

 

[mikebel111*]

then y they get him? To get on base and get hits. Sure its only singles but at least he can get singles and hit them quite frequently

They got him for just this season only. I mean it's good he doesn't strike out but he doesn't walk either.

 

[Trouba95*]

I bet Anish is pitcher's wins guy, too.

 

[TF97]

well they used him at the end of this season as a base stealer

Read what I f***ing said. I said that his role right now may just be a base stealer. But that doesn't mean that is all he does. Dalton has some pop and a good glove. Which overall, would make him better than Revere.

 

[mikebel111*]

well they used him at the end of this season as a base stealer

What do you not get?
The posted clearly said that's his role right now. It won't be in the future though

 

[TF97]

I bet Anish is pitcher's wins guy, too.

He probably had Hutch as a write-in on his all-star game ballot.

 

[TF97]

I made a new thread. Hopefully the stupidity doesn't follow

 

[rent free]

he probably had hutch as a write-in on his all-star game ballot.

i actually voted all blue jays in the all star game when it was may so i think u might be right lol

 

[rent free]

i made a new thread. Hopefully the stupidity doesn't follow

haha hilarious i will be the 1st one to post on it