woah what? revere is a career .300 hitter saunders in .230, on the jays revere is more useful as he brings speed and contact, saundes brings nothing. we already have pillar making super man plays on the field so why sacrifice the best contact hitter for a scrub who can only defend
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woah what? revere is a career .300 hitter saunders in .230, on the jays revere is more useful as he brings speed and contact, saundes brings nothing. we already have pillar making super man plays on the field so why sacrifice the best contact hitter for a scrub who can only defend
TF97
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I agree. I remember that his defense was a concern entering spring training. But he turned out to be a pretty good defender. It's a shame that he got hurt, he was such a big piece for us.
but it paved way for goins to play and turn out to be a defensive beast, something travis might not have been, even though he can hit way more than goins
Would you mind sharing the lottery numbers while you're at it?
5, 7, 11, 15, 19, 36 and 48
theyre ya happy
TF97
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I would usually reply with a lengthy in-depth post that shows Saunders is better than Revere using analytics. But I fear if you attempted to read it your head might explode. So for your own safety, I'll leave it be...
ya true dat. goins fault for botching the ball and prices fault for ******* in the playoffs
TF97
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We already knew that Goins could defend. Yet again, I recommend you look at Travis' defensive stats.
We were fine when Goins was hitting like no ones business but now he's back to his old self. Travis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goins
Giuseppe Sallo
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Who would you rather have playing?
Goins/Revere or Travis/Saunders
and don't forget about pompey... wish he was more useful than stealing base.
Goins/Revere or Travis/Saunders
and don't forget about pompey... wish he was more useful than stealing base.
TF97
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Just using this seasons stats. Goins has a DRS of 4, and a UZR/150 of 3... which puts him in the average-above average category. (This is at 2B)
goins revere is the combination used to go in the playoffs, not disregarding price and tulo, but u wonder how many runs or hits that donaldson got with revere hustling on base with his speed over anyone else
TF97
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f*** it...
Let's take a look at the last three seasons of both Revere and Saunders.
Saunders wRC+ from 2012-2014
2012: 108 wRC+ (8% better than a league average hitter)
2013: 101 wRC+ (1% better than a league average hitter)
2014: 126 wRC+ (26% better than a league average hitter)
Revere's wRC+ from 2013-2015
2013: 92 wRC+ (8% worse than a league average hitter)
2014: 91 wRC+ (9% worse than a league average hitter)
2015: 98 wRC+ (2% worse than a league average hitter)
I'll leave it at that...
i wouldnt. revere is the perfect guy we need, a contact speedy hitter. hes a rich mans ichiro. pompey is probably slower than revere and pompey can only steal bases
wtf is wRC? also wheres reveres 2012 wRC? probably better than saunders combined, that's y u didnt show it
TF97
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Actually it was 86 which is brutal. I didn't show it because I used their last three seasons. I didn't count 2015 for Saunders since he only played a handful of games.
As for wRC+, here you go
http://www.fangraphs.com/library/offense/wrc/
I had a feeling you would ask that.
WrC is a stat that measures the overall value or who is the better hitter basically.
So despite Revere's high contact ability, he still is a below average hitter because he hits singles or nothing.
It would be better if Saunders played over Revere but sadly it's not an option.
but u gotta wonder how many times revere beat out the call at 1st base that saunders wouldnt have. that lead the way for a few jd hits
TF97
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Here's the funny part... Saunders wouldn't have to beat out the grounder because he actually has some pop and wouldn't rely on beating out weak grounders. Plus, Saunders wouldn't be batting ahead of Donaldson.
When Revere doesn't hit his patented single, he's useless. Pompey is a better defender with a better arm. He has the ability to be a better offensive player, too.
JS19
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That is completely irrelevant to the argument.
To jump onto the point that you quoted, part of the reason why Ben Revere is not a good lead-off is because when you watch his ABs, he either bats a single, or gets a routine groundout/flyout/etc. He's not a multifaceted enough hitter compared to the big bats, and even the bottom of the order. Without the single, he's completely useless. Sure he has the speed to steal bases, but if you need to rely solely on stealing bases, then there's something wrong with the diversity of your toolbox (or lack thereof). The Jays need a better bat at #1.
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