The Flyers Draft 7th; Who Do You Want?

[Larry44]

Not really...

10th the Flyers have to get points in both of the last two games... almost certainly going 2-0-0. (though 1-0-1 could suffice in very, very limited circumstances.)

9th the Flyers have to go 2-0-0 to have more than a 50% chance. 1-0-1 and it is a ~25% chance. 1-1-0 and 8th or 7th are virtually guaranteed.

Actually if the Flyers go 1-1-0 the odds of getting 7th or 8th are almost identical at ~45% each.

Go 0-2-0 or 0-1-1 and 7th is very, very likely.

Sniff, I think I love you.

 

[Broad Street Elite]

BPA is the obvious answer and, for me, that probably means Provorov. Not a Crouse guy and I think the 2 defensemen are a cut above the forward options.

For me, it's probably Provorov > Werenski > Barzal > Crouse

 

[kelmitchell]

I went provorov dude is a beast he's the perfect pick for us, he's #1 potential he has literally all the tools, he's pretty agile, great defensively, his offense is really good, he has a great shot with velocity and accuracy, he is great at controlling the pace of the game, he passes the puck right on the tape of his teammates, he's a defenseman we need, could you imagine if we draft him and him, sanhiem, gostisbehere, morin, and hagg pan out? You're talking potentially the best defense we've ever had, that is if they all pan out

 

[dats81]

Didn't Buffalo beat the Flyers this season?
I know the Flyers may be better than Buffalo on paper, and even in the standings because the Flyers are the leading team for regulation ties, but those numbers are fake.
The Flyers current roster is horrid, and their style of play has very little focus.
I'd rather try to acquire McDavid, then promote the young defensemen who are currently in the minors, give the captain C to Simmonds, and continue to build for the future.

I wish you good luck in telling Voracek why he should re-sign and stay in Philly after next season, if they are not going to make the playoffs let alone contend for another 3 -5 years

 

[dats81]

Button has Boeser at 8th, Barzal at 18th.

http://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-suspenseful-race-for-no-3-1.249965

And Hanifin at 12... wasn't he supposed to be the the unanimous 3rd overall pick?
Didn't check for a couple of weeks. Did he really slip that far and why?

 

[Lotusflower]

Feel like there's a higher chance of grabbing an impact D in the late 1st/2nd/3rd round than there is off grabbing an impact forward in those spots so I say we use the early first on a forward.​

Not a Crouse necessarily who may turn out to be a solid complimentary piece but a guy we can add to the main core.​

Voted Rantanen because I see him and Barzal having similiar ceilings but if Rantanen hits then we have a guy who's skillset is tailor-made for wing OR center.​

If he hits he becomes a safety net in case one of Schenn/Cout/Laughton cant legitimately lock down the 2C spot. Also, if he hits he's a safety net against G's eventual decline as he can move up the depth chart in case the young D come along more slowly than anticipated.​

Age disparity issue solved.​

 

[Psuhockey]

I say Werenski or Provorov. Not only is the value better IMO (possible #1 D vs possible first line winger )but you can win a Stanley Cup without dynamic offensive players if you have an excellent defense corp. New Jersey, Boston, and depending on how you view Carter and Kopitar, LA all won with top notch two way guys but not IMO elite offensive talents . A defense that can transition the puck and provide offensive will make above average forwards highly productive.

Plus it would be insurance in case of busts or underachievement. Out of Morin, Sanheim, Gostibehere, Freidman, Hagg and either Provorov or Werenski, I think the Flyers have a great chance of 2-3 of the being upper echelon top 4 defensemen and a really good chance of one of them turning into a #1.

Hopefully Hanifin gets the Fowler or Forsberg treatment and falls to the Flyers.

 

[Fragmuffin]

With these guys gone (and even before some of them go IMO), Rantanen is the best forward and he solves a lot of this teams' issues already next season or the one after it at the latest. Provorov and Werenski would be my 2nd and 3rd choice, after that i'm kinda leaning towards Crouse.

 

[TheKingPin]

I don't see it, but you are more optimistic than I am.

Haha yea I am an optimist. As long as we don't tank to open the season we should make the playoffs next year.

 

[Flyotes]

All this discussion will be meaningless when we win the lottery. Awww yiss.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

Tough poll with some very good players. Provorov would be my choice if the Flyers go defense, but I think they're going forward and went with Barzal. It was tough to turn up Crouse because of the size, but I think they can get size later in the first (Bittner) or second (Gabriel Gagne).

 

[Appleyard]

Tough poll with some very good players. Provorov would be my choice if the Flyers go defense, but I think they're going forward and went with Barzal. It was tough to turn up Crouse because of the size, but I think they can get size later in the first (Bittner) or second (Gabriel Gagne).

Gabriel Gagne is a great shout as far as 'sleepers' go.

I have seen him go from 50 to 80 in a lot of mocks. But his skillset is awesome and his production is also very good for a draft eligible guy. If he panned out he would be a freak who would be very hard to stop.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I voted Werenski.

Wouldn't be upset with Provorov or Barzal.

Rantanen & Crouse just worry me a little too much that their offense at the NHL level could be limited.

 

[aflyerpower]

For me, it's Barzal >Rantanen > Werenski> Provorov > Connor > Crouse

 

[TerrapinFlyers]

I voted Werenski.

Wouldn't be upset with Provorov or Barzal.

Rantanen & Crouse just worry me a little too much that their offense at the NHL level could be limited.

Not saying you're wrong but tell me why you think they'd be limited? I think they could both play in the NHL if not next year for sure the year after with that size they both have.

 

[dingbathero]

All this discussion will be meaningless when we win the lottery. Awww yiss.

Of course, then we don't need to trade Giroux for Eichel when we take him with number 1....

 

[Ghost Bear]

For me, it's probably Provorov > Werenski > Barzal > Crouse

For me Provorov and Werenski are interchangable, but Barzal > Crouse.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Rantanen for me. Can play any forward position and screams of a Finnish Voracek. Maybe a bit better of a goal scorer.

 

[klutch]

Rantanen for me. Can play any forward position and screams of a Finnish Voracek. Maybe a bit better of a goal scorer.

I agree with you except I see him as more of a playmaker. I just really want a shoot-first type player soon, I think this team needs one. But heck if Rantanan comes out to be an amazing goal scorer then its an absolute win in my books.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Not saying you're wrong but tell me why you think they'd be limited? I think they could both play in the NHL if not next year for sure the year after with that size they both have.

Regarding Rantanen, look at comparables who were drafted around where Rantanen is projected and how they produced in SM Liga in their 16, 17, and 18 y/o seasons:

Rantanen:
16 y/o: 3 pts/15 gms
17: 9 pts / 37 gms
18: 28 / 56

Barkov:
16: 16 / 32
17: 48 / 53
18: NHL

Mike Granlund:
16: NA
17: 40/43
18: 36/39

O. Jokinen
16: NA
17: 2/15
18: 41/50

T. Ruutu
16: NA
17: 22/47
18: 23/51

K Kapanen
16: 4/13
17: 14/47
18: 21/41

Two things stand out: One, Finland has a general lack of producing high level offensive producers at the NHL level, even among their most touted prospects. Two, Rantanen's production for his age in SM Liga Is meager among Finland's best draft prospects in recent history and does nothing to suggest he will be a high caliber point producer in the NHL.

Yes, I think he will have a nice NHL career, but I'd rather spend a top 10 pick on a guy who is more likely to be a game breaker than just a solid NHLer.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

As for Crouse, his failure to reach a PPG in his 17 y/o season combined with his alarmingly paltry assist totals in both seasons of junior are major red flags regarding his overall skill level and chances for high caliber production in the NHL.

Now, it could be he turns out to be a great front of the net guy on the PP, but I'm seeing a lot of risk regarding his overall offensive ceiling and, as with Rantanen, I don't want to simply draft a solid NHLer with a top 10 pick. Especially in this draft. I want a real difference maker.

Hence, assuming McDavid, Eichel, Marner, Hanifin, and Strome are off the board, I'm targeting Werenski, Provorov, and Barzal in the nex tier above Rantanen and Crouse.

 

[TerrapinFlyers]

Fair enough Ghost. Myself I voted Crouse but if it's not him I'd go D. You can't have too much imo.

 

[santapore]

atleast barkov and granlund was playing in very good teams(playoff teams). it helps to get points that much. rantanen was playing in awful team(second last in standings) were he was best player on team. im pretty sure if rantanen had equal team to play with points could be about same.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

atleast barkov and granlund was playing in very good teams(playoff teams). it helps to get points that much. rantanen was playing in awful team(second last in standings) were he was best player on team. im pretty sure if rantanen had equal team to play with points could be about same.

If he's the best player on the team he should get more playing time and play in all situations. I'm not buying that as an excuse for meager production. In fact, if he was buried on a great team and not getting playing time I'd find it a better excuse. Though, at age 18, if you're a true gamebreaker, you should be good enough to force playing time.

 

[sa cyred]

If he's the best player on the team he should get more playing time and play in all situations. I'm not buying that as an excuse for meager production. In fact, if he was buried on a great team and not getting playing time I'd find it a better excuse. Though, at age 18, if you're a true gamebreaker, you should be good enough to force playing time.

Well thats not partically true for European leagues. Young players have it tough to crack alot of time when playing in those leagues at a young age.

The idea is that Rant played on one of the worse teams in the league with no one to help him or support him.