The Coyotes have been eliminated. Now what?

[rt]

I've hit your house then. I yelled fore. sry.

I happen to know you've never been to deep gilbert. I'd have seen your name on the guest list.

 

[rt]

^^If you're tired of watching quality hockey, our 40+ playoffs are going on over at AZ Ice Gilbert tonight

Like DOM. He's got a provisional, temporary visitor's pass to deep Gilbert. If he wants permanent resident status, he'll have to change his name to Clean Old Man and reapply during the application window, with a letter of recommendation from a deep Gilbert resident like me.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

"...meet me at the pedestrian bridge at the north end of the dog park, round midnight. come alone or the deal's off..."

 

[RABBIT]

I happen to know you've never been to deep gilbert. I'd have seen your name on the guest list.

Like DOM. He's got a provisional, temporary visitor's pass to deep Gilbert. If he wants permanent resident status, he'll have to change his name to Clean Old Man and reapply during the application window, with a letter of recommendation from a deep Gilbert resident like me.

 

[Mosby]

Budget will go up regardless if the floor goes up.

We have two ties to Tavares. One, his skating coach is employed by the Coyotes. Two, Barroway, who is sure to have met JT when he previously tried to buy the Isles.

Get the arena sorted before July 1 and I think you could make a case.

 

[Matias Maccete]

I'm happy with 4x4

That would scare me. I guess if we're sure he can stay reasonably healthy, sure. I'd prefer two years, but that may not be an option.

 

[cobra427]

That would scare me. I guess if we're sure he can stay reasonably healthy, sure. I'd prefer two years, but that may not be an option.

4 by 4 is too much, we don't need to over pay. 2 by 4, 3 by 3.5 or 3 by 4.

 

[Grimes]

4 by 4 is too much, we don't need to over pay. 2 by 4, 3 by 3.5 or 3 by 4.

He didnt put up 30 to get paid less that 4.5. Hes out. But I love that the media type think it's even a possibility (if Im reading these reports right)

 

[Matias Maccete]

He didnt put up 30 to get paid less that 4.5. Hes out. But I love that the media type think it's even a possibility (if Im reading these reports right)

30? 30 what? We're talking about Raanta right?

 

[Summer Rose]

Like DOM. He's got a provisional, temporary visitor's pass to deep Gilbert. If he wants permanent resident status, he'll have to change his name to Clean Old Man and reapply during the application window, with a letter of recommendation from a deep Gilbert resident like me.

Would you consider Val Vista and Warner deep Gilbert? I once lived there for 8 years and went to Mesquite High School from 2000 to 2004.

 

[Grimes]

30? 30 what? We're talking about Raanta right?

Whoops! Thought we were talking about JVR. Nevermind me.

 

[RABBIT]

I'd be willing to do 4 x 4 if it meant we were keeping him. If we offered 3.25m for 3-4 years and he said he'd consider it, but will explore other options first, chances are teams like NYI or CAR will beat that offer. I don't want to start over with this goalie search nonsense. We have depth in goaltending right now, don't blow it by being stingy. He's a good goalie and a good teammate.

It's not like we're emulating a Smith contract, and many teams have done worse. 4 x 4 will be an easier pill to swallow than losing him to someone else for 500k-750k where he continues his current success while we scramble and hope Kuemper is really ready to be a number one goalie, potentially putting us in the same position we are now in just a year and a half from now...Or failing miserably and having to start all over. Sign him.

 

[rt]

Would you consider Val Vista and Warner deep Gilbert? I once lived there for 8 years and went to Mesquite High School from 2000 to 2004.

I think that makes you an honorary member. In the way that celebrity graduation keynote speakers get honorary diplomas.

 

[rt]

Damn. I gotta remember to fix my doorbell camera. It’s supposed to point OUT, not in.

 

[Matias Maccete]

Whoops! Thought we were talking about JVR. Nevermind me.

Lol, I did quote a post from a few days back.

I see your point @RABBIT, I don't want to restart the goalie search either, but I also don't want to pay a goalie who's going to be hurt for half the year for 4 years. 4 a year isn't crippling, but for a team that will always have a budget, it's a lot to potentially waste. I'm not sure signing him is a mistake necessarily, but I'd hate to get out of a bad goalie contract only to get into another one. I'd love to re-sign him for less term and a little more $, but if that's not an option it's a really tough call

 

[_Del_]

This is why we should have decided what he was worth and signed him or traded him so we wouldn't be in this spot. We're now in a position of being pressured to pay more just so we don't fail completely. Dumb to put us there.

 

[RABBIT]

Damn. I gotta remember to fix my doorbell camera. It’s supposed to point OUT, not in.

Lol, I did quote a post from a few days back.

I see your point @RABBIT, I don't want to restart the goalie search either, but I also don't want to pay a goalie who's going to be hurt for half the year for 4 years. 4 a year isn't crippling, but for a team that will always have a budget, it's a lot to potentially waste. I'm not sure signing him is a mistake necessarily, but I'd hate to get out of a bad goalie contract only to get into another one. I'd love to re-sign him for less term and a little more $, but if that's not an option it's a really tough call

I see your point about injury concerns, and yeah it's concerning to me too. But 4 million dollars is a a risk I'm willing to take as far as injury possibility. He's your starting goaltender, he's going to require a decent paycheck. At that point we just kind of have to hope for the best, if it doesn't work out and we have to bite the bullet on the 4 million. I think even for a budget team, that's doable. Plus it seems we will have one of the better backups in the league to fall back on if it ever does come to that.

 

[RABBIT]

....

We don't really know the circumstances, he may have had no choice

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Get the arena sorted before July 1 and I think you could make a case.

 

[MIGs Dog]

I'm pretty sure that the Coyotes budget will go up next year, based upon the statements of both Chayka and Barroway. Both say that we are building towards a perennial contender. They know that to make the step into the playoffs they will need to pay for higher end talent.

I believe we are only about $3 mil over the floor. If the cap increases $4-5 mil does the floor automatically go up as well?

 

[hbk]

I believe we are only about $3 mil over the floor. If the cap increases $4-5 mil does the floor automatically go up as well?

Yes.

 

[cobra427]

I'd be willing to do 4 x 4 if it meant we were keeping him. If we offered 3.25m for 3-4 years and he said he'd consider it, but will explore other options first, chances are teams like NYI or CAR will beat that offer. I don't want to start over with this goalie search nonsense. We have depth in goaltending right now, don't blow it by being stingy. He's a good goalie and a good teammate.

It's not like we're emulating a Smith contract, and many teams have done worse. 4 x 4 will be an easier pill to swallow than losing him to someone else for 500k-750k where he continues his current success while we scramble and hope Kuemper is really ready to be a number one goalie, potentially putting us in the same position we are now in just a year and a half from now...Or failing miserably and having to start all over. Sign him.

For goalies, we have had the Bulin wall/Burke/Bryz/Smith/Griess/Duby/Raanta. It seems like picking up good goal tenders has not been a problem. I like Raanta but its not the end of the world if we don't sign him. We just have to pay market value, no need to negotiate out of fear or over pay. 4 by 4 is an over payment in term for sure, we won't have to do that at that rate, and nobody else will either.

 

[moosemeister]

I believe we are only about $3 mil over the floor. If the cap increases $4-5 mil does the floor automatically go up as well?

With raises to Domi and Raanta, I’m not worried about the floor

 

[Matias Maccete]

I see your point about injury concerns, and yeah it's concerning to me too. But 4 million dollars is a a risk I'm willing to take as far as injury possibility. He's your starting goaltender, he's going to require a decent paycheck. At that point we just kind of have to hope for the best, if it doesn't work out and we have to bite the bullet on the 4 million. I think even for a budget team, that's doable. Plus it seems we will have one of the better backups in the league to fall back on if it ever does come to that.

Yeah at 4 it's not awful, I'm just really hesitant after our last big goalie deal. I really do like Raanta though.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Yeah at 4 it's not awful, I'm just really hesitant after our last big goalie deal. I really do like Raanta though.

The only thing I'm scared of with contracts is NTC/NMC. That's the big gamble and worry, not the term or the cost, and that's what hamstrung us with Smith and Ribeiro. It may even end up being an issue with Goligoski and Demers, depending on their health and production.