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Any interest in Drew Stafford from Buffalo?
Spaling + Ellis + 2nd
for
Stafford (maybe a pick added)
???? IDK just spit balling for s***s and giggs
Honestly I think Stafford for Spaling + a pick would do it.
Any interest in Drew Stafford from Buffalo?
Spaling + Ellis + 2nd
for
Stafford (maybe a pick added)
???? IDK just spit balling for s***s and giggs
Any interest in Drew Stafford from Buffalo?
Spaling + Ellis + 2nd
for
Stafford (maybe a pick added)
???? IDK just spit balling for s***s and giggs
I don't understand why people keep bringing Ellis up in trade proposals. This team's offense starts from the back end and Ellis has fantastic puck skills. Yeah, he's smaller than a lot of defenders. But he has the best offensive instincts of anyone on the team's blue line and I think he looked good on the third pair last year. There are much worse things to have than a third-pairing defender with first PP offensive skills.
I don't understand why people keep bringing Ellis up in trade proposals. This team's offense starts from the back end and Ellis has fantastic puck skills. Yeah, he's smaller than a lot of defenders. But he has the best offensive instincts of anyone on the team's blue line and I think he looked good on the third pair last year. There are much worse things to have than a third-pairing defender with first PP offensive skills.
The fan base if finicky. If a guy doesn't produce right away or do the things that people expect of that player, trade 'em. If that were the case Suter would never have developed here. Klein would've been gone years ago. Other than Pekka and Weber, most every player we've ever had has been a disappointment. I agree with you, third pairing/PP specialist could be a great role for him. Having him and Ekholm as a third pairing could be a very good thing.
you're right about expectations, but now that we have Jones, trading Eliis before he Blums out isnt such a bad idea. Now, mind you, I wouldnt dump him for nothing or a 7th round pick, but if a decent trade offer comes along for a forward we need and Ellis is part of the asking price, then I wouldnt hesitate
His size IMO is what makes me dislike him. I don't mind he is smaller, I don't like that he is small and a defenseman. If he were a forward I wouldn't have a problem with him.
Timmonen is the same size. And Franson is twice his size. I guess Franson is better than Kimo because he's bigger.
Having seen both, that's not accurate. Ellis isn't much bigger than Sullivan or Ronning. Kimmo was bigger than all of those, no matter what the listed size is.Timmonen is the same size. And Franson is twice his size. I guess Franson is better than Kimo because he's bigger.
Some good points glenn. I don't see Ellis' size as a concern at all with this current roster. I feel he's going to be put in an excellent position to succeed this season.If we're talking size who was the better player for us when healthy, Sully or Arnott?
I don't get the hang up on size. I just looked at the roster for next year and there are less than 5 players under 6' tall. We have 3 guys at 6' 4" on the blue line with good wheels. Everyone doesn't have to be big. All guys need to have is talent and it's there with Ellis. Let Housley work with him for a while before we jettison the kid. Rafalski wasn't big but he was a pretty darn good player. Boyle isn't a big guy either and he's done quite alright for himself. Hal Gill was big and was a penalty kill specialist, not much more than that. Everyone gets too caught up in size around here. Size is only good if you know what to do with it. If Ellis knows what to do with his lack of size, he'll be fine. Remember, defensemen take longer to develop. He's only 22. Last year was a train wreck. He had also injured his wrist in Milwaukee so I'm sure that didn't help him either.
Slake, can you clarify if the team directed Ellis to a specific coach, or just told him "you need to get better, find someone"??
Id be a little dismayed if the team didnt have someone specific in mind who they had confidence in to teach him what they feel he needs
Chiming in on the Ellis argument, I just dislike him becuase due to his skating, size, and other things, I expect him to be a 3rd pairing Dman that is very good on the PP for his entire career. I also think his trade value is higher than that. So sell high trade him now for a good piece.
you just described marc-andre Bergeron? trying to get a 7th for Ellis?
We have name recognition and potential as his value to other teams right now. If he shows up to camp and looks like last year, then it is time to be concerned he is about to blum out.
So let me get this straight, you want to trade two younger players on good salaries who can chip in offensively on the bottom 6 yet keep overpaid older vets that don't produce? Yeah, I'd do that. SMH.
I already suggested moving Leggy and Cullen. I would be OK with moving Fisher too but I suspect he will be retained. Gaustad stays because we want the guys we bring up to play top 9 or higher, which is why dumping Hendricks, Nystrom or Clune right now wouldn't help anything… this summer, if we need cap room, is another story.
Spaling is nothing special and isn't likely to ever be more than a spare part, and us a pending UFA. Id much rather give Watson a shot, if the season is lost anyway.
Same thing with Bourque, Id rather give Beck or Sissons a shot at proving they belong here.
I would love to move Wilson if we could get something decent for him, but if we can't get anything other than another underperforming player or a non 1st round pick, we might as well let him continue to try to live up to expectations. Same thing with Smith.. If his recent surge would tempt someone into offering us a 1st or a top tier prospect I'd ship him in a heartbeat, as I am not sold on him continuing to develop, but I wouldn't give him away for nothing because he could still turn out to be a 20 goal scorer.