OT: The Arizona Coyotes Lounge XV - Loop 202 IS OPEN!!!!!!.

[Sinurgy]

I guess they're at least supporting the Coyotes by paying for that plate but otherwise that's disgusting.

 

[MIGs Dog]

There’s another plate out there that’s got a pro-LA Kings message on it.

I'll let the Sharks plate slide, but let ME see that Kings' plate!!!

 

[Jagged Ice]

Thirteen years ago I moved to Phoenix and said I'll get an authentic jersey when I know they are staying. The second I drop money on one they'll get moved.
For the last few years I said I'll get the license plate when they get an arena. I may never own a jersey or the plate.

 

[cromag27]

did i see you?

this am tempe on broadway, westbound.

 

[cromag27]

i suggest getting something. they can really help you out if something happens.

 

[awfulwaffle]

This is actually quite scary if someone doesn't realize the car and license plate that they are supposed to be getting a ride from.

Arizona woman warning others after fake Lyft driver knew her personal info

 

[cromag27]

This is actually quite scary if someone doesn't realize the car and license plate that they are supposed to be getting a ride from.

Arizona woman warning others after fake Lyft driver knew her personal info

way more to that story than we’ll probably know. a couple months ago a chick in sc was murdered after getting into a wrong car she thought was her uber.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

A couple of days ago, a coworker asked why my family and I don't use Uber/Lyft. I said, "Because I'm old and I don't trust the gig economy enough to entrust my safety to some random person with a car and an app."

I realized how decrepit this made me sound the moment I said it, but I'm sticking with it.

 

[Sinurgy]

Because I'm old

You probably should've just stopped there.

 

[Sinurgy]

This is actually quite scary if someone doesn't realize the car and license plate that they are supposed to be getting a ride from.

Arizona woman warning others after fake Lyft driver knew her personal info

I'm betting this was social engineering not hacking as the article seemed to imply. A good reminder to be wary anytime something doesn't pass the smell test.

 

[Jagged Ice]

Always always always ask the Lyft or Uber driver who they are picking up when you open the door in addition to matching the make/model and plate number.

 

[RemoAZ]

A couple of days ago, a coworker asked why my family and I don't use Uber/Lyft. I said, "Because I'm old and I don't trust the gig economy enough to entrust my safety to some random person with a car and an app."

I realized how decrepit this made me sound the moment I said it, but I'm sticking with it.

I have never used them just because it's seems weird to me for some random person to show up to give me a ride. Then again, when I went on vacation for a couple weeks in December I decided not to leave my truck at the airport and called a cab. They never showed up and I left my truck at the airport. Maybe the random dude would have been better after all.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

I never had anything but poor experiences in my life taking taxis, and in part due to this never took Uber or Lyft....until 18 months ago when I gave it a try....

It's actually not bad. I've probably done it 25-30 times by now, the drivers have been almost universally friendly, and unlike cabs most of them actually seem to care about customer service ("there's a bottle of water if you want it", "temperature okay?", "where are you flying in from?"), versus "you call that a tip?","I wasted my time in this taxi line to give you a 2 mile ride?", "hold on a sec I need to check under the hood (at 3am near the Durango curve on I-17. True story)".

Plus, if you can wait on technology, I live in the Waymo test zone. Not quite there yet, but it's close, and it would seem extremely unlikely that an operator would hijack one and take it on a joyride...

 

[Sinurgy]

I have never used them just because it's seems weird to me for some random person to show up to give me a ride

As opposed to a very specific taxi driver?

A "random" Uber or Lyft driver has all their information blasted through the app. You can see who they are, what they're driving, etc., Uber definitely knows who they are and your location is tracked and recorded for the entirety of the trip. I'd argue it's far safer than an old school taxi! I mean sure it doesn't stop a psycho from being psycho but nothing really prevents that scenario short of never leaving your house like some sort of Nervous Nelly.

 

[Sinurgy]

Plus, if you can wait on technology, I live in the Waymo test zone. Not quite there yet, but it's close,

I think we're still 5+ years away from anything even close to an autonomous taxi. Heck maybe even closer to 10 years. I expect the first roll out to be on rails, that is they'll only go on very specific routes because the car is not fully autonomous. Instead it'll be using pre-built maps uploaded into the vehicle as opposed to the car making all decisions in real time. E.g. it'll know where the stop light is located by location because someone added that information to the map, not because it analyzed it's surroundings and figured out there's a stop light there.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

Instead it'll be using pre-built maps uploaded into the vehicle as opposed to the car making all decisions in real time. E.g. it'll know where the stop light is located by location because someone added that information to the map, not because it analyzed it's surroundings and figured out there's a stop light there.

Based on my own observations from sitting in one (and being in IT for 30 years), I'm betting this is the case now. Similar to how Google maps puts 'streets' down the aisles of large parking lots. Watching it wander around in front of the Harkins was interesting before it finally gave up (this was a while back), also a construction zone threw it a little. Also based on those observations, there's very, very minimal input from the operator. It's not perfect, but it's still impressive. (and you don't have to tip )

 

[MIGs Dog]

One area that hasn't been worked out is morality. For example, what size/type of animal should the autonomous vehicle try to avoid and what size/type should it splat?

 

[Bonsai Tree]

One area that hasn't been worked out is morality. For example, what size/type of animal should the autonomous vehicle try to avoid and what size/type should it splat?

Seriously? Avoid mammalian shapes. Bird shapes. Image recognition is already at this point.

 

[MIGs Dog]

Seriously? Avoid mammalian shapes. Bird shapes. Image recognition is already at this point.

I'm not talking about technology to ID, but the system must be programmed to avoid certain shapes and not others.

For example:
Moose = avoid
Cockroach = squoosh (I don't want the car braking for every insect)

But what about say a tiny mouse? Some drivers would intentionally crush the rodent, while others would be quite upset if the little bugger met his maker.

Who makes these decisions?

 

[rt]

Kill or be killed, man. If that billy goat had half a chance he’d murder you and everyone you love.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

Who makes these decisions?

I'll do it. No sweat. I'll license out my decision for $1.50 (3.25 Canadian) per car.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

I'll do it. No sweat. I'll license out my decision for $1.50 (3.25 Canadian) per car.

Read Revolution World by Katy Stauber. You'll like it I think.

 

[rt]

Read Revolution World by Katy Stauber. You'll like it I think.

Whoa

 

[RABBIT]

I work at PayPal now and i love it

 

[Sinurgy]

Based on my own observations from sitting in one (and being in IT for 30 years), I'm betting this is the case now. Similar to how Google maps puts 'streets' down the aisles of large parking lots. Watching it wander around in front of the Harkins was interesting before it finally gave up (this was a while back), also a construction zone threw it a little. Also based on those observations, there's very, very minimal input from the operator. It's not perfect, but it's still impressive. (and you don't have to tip )

I think that's where it's at as well but I meant the first rollout of a car without a human at the helm. Right now the cars seem to be decent at getting from almost point A to almost point B but they struggle mightily with the so called "last mile". I haven't been in a Waymo one but I've been in the Uber one and a human would get you out of the neighborhood and onto Scottsdale Rd (i.e. the road they've extensively mapped out), then let the car take over until it came time to leave Scottsdale Rd at which point the human driver would take over again. I know they're working on the last mile but it's got a long ways to go and that's WITH a human in the car much less getting to the point of a car with no driver. So yeah...while the tech is extremely impressive, I think we're still a long way from human-less self-driving cars and a reaaaally long way from fully autonomous cars (car that's not "on rails" so to speak).