The almost 3/4 of the season Hart talk.

[aufheben]

Does 5v5 points mean Fast is on the ice with him?? Oh, yea you are right. His 24 points make a lot more sense now. Good Call.......

Panarin-Strome-Fast has been our 2nd line since the end of October. What part of this is confusing?

 

[VoluntaryDom]

it is artemi panarin AND IT ISNT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE. among the players mentioned in this thread, Panarin has at least a .1 goals for impact per 60 AND at least a .1 xGA/60 impact lead on ALL OF THEM. that is ABSURD. his combined Goals For and Expected Goals Against per 60 impact is on pace to be the second best in the data era (07-08 onward, behind only 2018-19 Sidney Crosby).

if you dont think it should go to Panarin you are absolutely incorrect.

 

[TheRarestDangles]

it is artemi panarin AND IT ISNT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE. among the players mentioned in this thread, Panarin has at least a .1 goals for impact per 60 AND at least a .1 xGA/60 impact lead on ALL OF THEM. that is ABSURD. his combined Goals For and Expected Goals Against per 60 impact is on pace to be the second best in the data era (07-08 onward, behind only 2018-19 Sidney Crosby).
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if you dont think it should go to Panarin you are absolutely incorrect.

Mikko Rantanen is a better player than Brayden Point

 

[Spilot23]

Mikko Rantanen is a better player than Brayden Point

OMG you didn't just say that to Dom. Brace yourself advanced stats are coming saying how good Point is and how bad Rantanen actually is.

 

[CupofOil]

If we're talking about who really deserves it and who is really the most VALUABLE player to his team, how can it not be Eichel? There's a huge spread between him and the 2nd best player on his team.
I always found that making the playoffs being a mandatory criteria was bogus.

If it's truly about who his most valuable to his team, it would be Eichel or Panarin if it was up to me. This is coming from an Oiler fan whose team has 2 guys in the running for the award.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Yup, and i’m sure they take into considering the tougher competition he faces

If McDavid can’t win it despite leading the league in scoring, 38 more points than his next closest teammate (60 more than 3rd) because his team didn’t make the playoffs then what exactly makes you think Panarin is going to win this season?

 

[ovikovy817]

I hope the Hart trophy goes to someone who will bring his team in the postseason.

 

[nbwingsfan]

it is artemi panarin AND IT ISNT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE. among the players mentioned in this thread, Panarin has at least a .1 goals for impact per 60 AND at least a .1 xGA/60 impact lead on ALL OF THEM. that is ABSURD. his combined Goals For and Expected Goals Against per 60 impact is on pace to be the second best in the data era (07-08 onward, behind only 2018-19 Sidney Crosby).
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if you dont think it should go to Panarin you are absolutely incorrect.

These the same stats that told you Kase is a top 5 player in the NHL? Maybe stop looking at spreadsheets and catch a hockey game once in a while

 

[Ignite111]

Panarin-Strome-Fast has been our 2nd line since the end of October. What part of this is confusing?

I am not sure how you are so confused. I will break it down slower for you. Just because of Panarin skates on the second line, that does not mean all his points come when he is skating with Strome and Fast. Does that make sense?? There are other players on the rangers like Zib, Kreider, DeAngelo, and others who he can skate with and get points with, even 5 on 5. If you look at all his points you will see that. I hope that makes sense to you. I will admit I didn't go through every one of his goals and assists so my 70+% could be off so I apologize. But my point makes sense.

So the argument that "he skates with fast" so he's better shouldn't be the argument on why he should win the heart. Or "the others play with "Stars". 13 of draisaitl's last 15 points came without Mcdavid on the scoresheet for the goal.

And I say Panerin and draisaitl are very close at 2. Its not like im saying Panerin isnt top 5 or anything like that. He is great and having an amazing year. Literally not taking a single thing away from him.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Mikko Rantanen is a better player than Brayden Point

point has over 4x the WAR this season and still almost 3x if you combine the last two seasons but ok

 

[VoluntaryDom]

These the same stats that told you Kase is a top 5 player in the NHL? Maybe stop looking at spreadsheets and catch a hockey game once in a while

kase's two best WAR seasons combined are equal to panarin so far this season

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

1. Mackinnon

2. Draisaitl
3. Panarin/Pastrnak/McDavid

 

[Ms Maggie]

1. Mackinnon

2. Draisaitl
3. Panarin/Pastrnak/McDavid

This. Obviously.

 

[Zerotonine]

2 points and 4 games in hand if the Ranger's were in the weak west.

Take away loser points and the east has the 3 worst teams in the NHL by a wide margin.
Pretty easy to accumulate points when you play Detroit 5 times a year, a team who might not win 20 games in the season

 

[nbwingsfan]

kase's two best WAR seasons combined are equal to panarin so far this season

Cool. You also used the same stats to tell us Kase is a top 5 player in the game. Maybe time to re-evaluate the stats you use?

 

[daver]

Take away loser points and the east has the 3 worst teams in the NHL by a wide margin.
Pretty easy to accumulate points when you play Detroit 5 times a year, a team who might not win 20 games in the season

Putting the rediculous spin on loser points aside, the top four teams play in the East. Pretty hard to accumulate points when you play those teams.

 

[Daximus]

Putting the rediculous spin on loser points aside, the top four teams play in the East. Pretty hard to accumulate points when you play those teams.

St. Louis, Colorado, Dallas, Edmonton, Nashville, Chicago, Vancouver and Calgary all have winning records against the East. A good chunk of east teams have winning records against the West as well but the prevailing theme seems to be being able to beat up on the weak teams in the east far more.

Detroit hasn't won a single game against a Metro team. They are 0-17 against the Metro. That's 34 free points for the metro division. There isnt a single team that has given up that many points to a division anywhere else in the league.

 

[daver]

St. Louis, Colorado, Dallas, Edmonton, Nashville, Chicago, Vancouver and Calgary all have winning records against the East. A good chunk of east teams have winning records against the West as well but the prevailing theme seems to be being able to beat up on the weak teams in the east far more.

Detroit hasn't won a single game against a Metro team. They are 0-17 against the Metro. That's 34 free points for the metro division. There isnt a single team that has given up that many points to a division anywhere else in the league.

Free points? Maybe the Metro is just that good.

Doesn't matter anyways. Panarin is not winning the Hart.

 

[wetcoast]

MacK seems like the obvious choice right now. Draisaitl probably the runner up depending on how things go without McDavid. Pasta has a good chance of 3rd at the moment, but I wouldn't rule out Matthews or Kucherov, or even McDavid if he doesn't end up missing much time.

I think Eichel and Panarin are the best choices for top 3 but their teams are out of the playoffs so...........

 

[daver]

St. Louis, Colorado, Dallas, Edmonton, Nashville, Chicago, Vancouver and Calgary all have winning records against the East. A good chunk of east teams have winning records against the West as well but the prevailing theme seems to be being able to beat up on the weak teams in the east far more.

Detroit hasn't won a single game against a Metro team. They are 0-17 against the Metro. That's 34 free points for the metro division. There isnt a single team that has given up that many points to a division anywhere else in the league.

You do know that 25 teams have winning records right? You have listed eight of 15 teams when it should be closer to 11 or 12.

Congrats to West for having a below average record against the East.

 

[b in vancouver]

I could see any of Draisatl, MacKinnon or Pastrnak winning.

Depends on what Draisatl does while McDavid misses time. Can't see McD getting the nod over him now.
If Pastrnak wins The Rocket while finishing right up there in the Art Ross race then it's hard to ignore. That's really rare.
MacKinnon is amazing and have no argument against him winning.

I'm not a big fan of the linemate/teammate arguments. or when people bring out the 'valuable to your team' trope. Gretzky, Orr, Lafleur, Trottier, Clarke, Esposito, Lemieux, Jagr, Sakic, Forsberg, Messier, Fedorov, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Sedin, etc. all played on stacked teams. Lafleur had 10 HHOFers on his team. Gretzky had Messier, Kurri, Coffey, etc. Espo and Orr had each other. Sakic and Forsberg. Crosby and Malkin.

Peter Statsny single-handedly carried the Nordiques for years while playing with guys whom shouldn't have been in the NHL. Would you respect the Hart if he won three years in a row instead of Gretzky. Bernie Federko carried The Blues. Sittler. Perrault. Kent Nilsson. The list goes on. It would completely devalue the award.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

MacK, not really close at the moment. Still don't understand how people can say McDavid and Draisaitl. If you can't separate the 2 then neither is the MVP. If sabres or NYR somehow make the playoffs then Eichel and Panarin would be legit winners too. Everyone else (Kucherov, Matthews, etc) is battling for the nomination, not the win.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Mikko Rantanen is a better player than Brayden Point

This is like jump kicking a hornets nest in a bathing suit

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Panarin-Strome-Fast has been our 2nd line since the end of October. What part of this is confusing?

So we should give the Hart to a 2nd liner from the 20th best team in the league?

Panarin's awesome I'm sad he didn't sign with the Avs.

 

[Regal]

I think Eichel and Panarin are the best choices for top 3 but their teams are out of the playoffs so...........

Yea, that's why I didn't include them. Just based on value to team though, they're up there with MacKinnon.