The 2019 off-season thread: There's money to spend and Joey Crabb's retired

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Tippett shouldn't be on the team next year. We are no longer in a position to rush our prospects, there is nothing wrong with playing another year in the AHL to let him adjust before jumping to the big league. Give him a few call ups through the year if he does well in camp and AHL, but he absolutely should not be on the starting roster. We don't need more scoring on this team right now, we need more experienced and disciplined players.

I get that adding a top-4 dman may be difficult, but it should be a priority right after bringing in a goalie. Coach Q should get these guys playing better and new goalie will help, but is anyone comfortable going into next year with Ek, Yandle, Math, Weeg/Pysyk as our top 4? If you are comfortable with that, I suggest going back to watch our games this year. Sure Math may bounce back, but if he doesn't then we are up **** creek without a paddle. All our dmen are playing 1 slot higher than where they should be (Ek is a #2, Yands a #3, Math a #4, etc.). We obviously won't be adding a #1 guy, but we have to add a top-4 guy if we want to be serious next year.

I don't want to lose hoff, but I don't see how we keep him if we sign panarin and want to add a dman which is more important than having more scoring. Packaging the 1st + hoff makes the most sense, it could even be a 3-way deal with someone like wpg since they don't need hoff, but could be looking to replace trouba.
On Tippett: I agree in theory but I disagree in practice. Let them all go to training camp and battle it out. If Tippett stands out in a good way, what’s the harm? Anyway, competition is good.

On Hoff: A lot of people seem to think that he’ll help fetch a top-4 D. But he’s going to be in his last contract year, which is only a little bit better than becoming a FA, so unless the team really wants him, and Hoff wants to go there and sign a contract, I don’t think he’s a great trade bait. Therefore, why not just keep him for a year and go for it.... after all, SC aid always the goal.
 

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Tippett shouldn't be on the team next year. We are no longer in a position to rush our prospects, there is nothing wrong with playing another year in the AHL to let him adjust before jumping to the big league. Give him a few call ups through the year if he does well in camp and AHL, but he absolutely should not be on the starting roster. We don't need more scoring on this team right now, we need more experienced and disciplined players.

I get that adding a top-4 dman may be difficult, but it should be a priority right after bringing in a goalie. Coach Q should get these guys playing better and new goalie will help, but is anyone comfortable going into next year with Ek, Yandle, Math, Weeg/Pysyk as our top 4? If you are comfortable with that, I suggest going back to watch our games this year. Sure Math may bounce back, but if he doesn't then we are up **** creek without a paddle. All our dmen are playing 1 slot higher than where they should be (Ek is a #2, Yands a #3, Math a #4, etc.). We obviously won't be adding a #1 guy, but we have to add a top-4 guy if we want to be serious next year.

I don't want to lose hoff, but I don't see how we keep him if we sign panarin and want to add a dman which is more important than having more scoring. Packaging the 1st + hoff makes the most sense, it could even be a 3-way deal with someone like wpg since they don't need hoff, but could be looking to replace trouba.

Ship Pysyk. The more I watch the playoffs the more I'm convinced he doesn't have the intensity to play in them. Or at least not in a top4 role. And Weegar has surpassed him as a top pairing guy and can play with some physicality.

If we can keep Hoff then great but I don't see it if we're adding a top 4 defenseman.
 

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Tippett shouldn't be on the team next year. We are no longer in a position to rush our prospects, there is nothing wrong with playing another year in the AHL to let him adjust before jumping to the big league. Give him a few call ups through the year if he does well in camp and AHL, but he absolutely should not be on the starting roster. We don't need more scoring on this team right now, we need more experienced and disciplined players.

I don't want to lose hoff, but I don't see how we keep him if we sign panarin and want to add a dman which is more important than having more scoring. Packaging the 1st + hoff makes the most sense, it could even be a 3-way deal with someone like wpg since they don't need hoff, but could be looking to replace trouba.
Barkov=Career year
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Dadonov=Career year
Hoffman =Career year
Yandle=Career year
Vatrano=Career year

It's a big leap of faith to hope that they all score as much next season. Players have down years, players get injured, etc. Yeah, we can hope they produce again next season, but it's silly to say that we don't need scoring help when everything went right offensively and we barely cracked the top 10 GF and were 17th in GF at 5v5. We can hope that the PP remains as good, but we are not bringing back the PP coach and we are talking about getting rid of our PP specialist. I don't get how people are confident our offense will be top ten again with these things happening.

We need scoring outside of our top line. Our secondary scoring is bad outside of Hoffman on the PP and we might not even have that going forward.
 

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This shit is over. Panarin and Bob can now say they won a playoff round and beat a historic regular season team during contract negotiations
 

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Barkov=Career year
Huberdeau=Career year
Dadonov=Career year
Hoffman =Career year
Yandle=Career year
Vatrano=Career year

It's a big leap of faith to hope that they all score as much next season. Players have down years, players get injured, etc. Yeah, we can hope they produce again next season, but it's silly to say that we don't need scoring help when everything went right offensively and we barely cracked the top 10 GF and were 17th in GF at 5v5. We can hope that the PP remains as good, but we are not bringing back the PP coach and we are talking about getting rid of our PP specialist. I don't get how people are confident our offense will be top ten again with these things happening.

We need scoring outside of our top line. Our secondary scoring is bad outside of Hoffman on the PP and we might not even have that going forward.

Don't discount the offensive boost we'll get from a better structured defense.
 

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Ship Pysyk. The more I watch the playoffs the more I'm convinced he doesn't have the intensity to play in them. Or at least not in a top4 role. And Weegar has surpassed him as a top pairing guy and can play with some physicality.

If we can keep Hoff then great but I don't see it if we're adding a top 4 defenseman
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Is it his sweet flow?
His beautiful and sane GF?
A guy name Mike beat you up in middle school?

Why you hate this man so much?
 

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Is it his sweet flow?
His beautiful and sane GF?
A guy name Mike beat you up in middle school?

Why you hate this man so much?

It's the obvious choice isn't it? I mean it has to be a forward going out with some meaningful salary and the only realistic ones are Daddy and Hoff. Do you mean to tell me that Dads get shipped while we try to land his best buddy Panarin? I don't see other options tbh.
 

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It's the obvious choice isn't it? I mean it has to be a forward going out with some meaningful salary and the only realistic ones are Daddy and Hoff. Do you mean to tell me that Dads get shipped while we try to land his best buddy Panarin? I don't see other options tbh.

Are you sure? :naughty:
 

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This **** is over. Panarin and Bob can now say they won a playoff round and beat a historic regular season team during contract negotiations


Don't worry, it'll just be Bob who Dale is going to persuade to sign. Panarin doesn't bring anything significant if anything in order to justify a +$3mil price different between him and Hoff.
 

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Don't worry, it'll just be Bob who Dale is going to persuade to sign. Panarin doesn't bring anything significant if anything in order to justify a +$3mil price different between him and Hoff.

I don't agree with what you are asserting. Panarin is a game breaker at even strength and a possesion beast. Most of Hoffman's production came on the powerplay.
 

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I don't agree with what you are asserting. Panarin is a game breaker at even strength and a possesion beast. Most of Hoffman's production came on the powerplay.

You don't have to agree but you don't have to lie on top of it. Besides, the Cats' issues doesn't include goal scoring and thus there's no need to address that.
 

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Silly question, but would you guys want Lucic at 50% retain? (so 3M for the next 4 years)
Many people on here want more physicality and as much as he has been worthless offensively, he has been okay defensively.
 

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Are you sure? :naughty:

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You don't have to agree but you don't have to lie on top of it. Besides, the Cats' issues doesn't include goal scoring and thus there's no need to address that.

Don’t have to lie about what? Panarin is the superior player to Hoffman. Those players don’t hit free agency often, and when you have a chance to sign him, you do everything you can to do so.
 

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5 on 5 goal scoring was mediocre

Yup, defense wanted to play more in the d-zone instead of getting the puck to the forwards. But hey, you guys have couple of months to rehearse your "omg, bread went to the Rags! Dale probably forgot bread's agents number!"-shock.
 

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On Tippett: I agree in theory but I disagree in practice. Let them all go to training camp and battle it out. If Tippett stands out in a good way, what’s the harm? Anyway, competition is good.

On Hoff: A lot of people seem to think that he’ll help fetch a top-4 D. But he’s going to be in his last contract year, which is only a little bit better than becoming a FA, so unless the team really wants him, and Hoff wants to go there and sign a contract, I don’t think he’s a great trade bait. Therefore, why not just keep him for a year and go for it.... after all, SC aid always the goal.

Barkov=Career year
Huberdeau=Career year
Dadonov=Career year
Hoffman =Career year
Yandle=Career year
Vatrano=Career year

It's a big leap of faith to hope that they all score as much next season. Players have down years, players get injured, etc. Yeah, we can hope they produce again next season, but it's silly to say that we don't need scoring help when everything went right offensively and we barely cracked the top 10 GF and were 17th in GF at 5v5. We can hope that the PP remains as good, but we are not bringing back the PP coach and we are talking about getting rid of our PP specialist. I don't get how people are confident our offense will be top ten again with these things happening.

We need scoring outside of our top line. Our secondary scoring is bad outside of Hoffman on the PP and we might not even have that going forward.

If Tippett absolutely blows everyone away at training camp and grabs a top-6 role, then I'd be ok with him starting in the NHL. I still don't really want that, but if it happens I won't complain too much.

I want to keep hoff and scoring, but I just don't see how the puzzle all fits together with him and his contract next season if we want a top-4 dman and panarin long-term. And I think we should really be adding a d-man.

The reason why I'm saying we trade hoff (plus something else, pick/prospect) for a top-4 dman is because it makes the salaries work and provides a trade chip.
 
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Yup, defense wanted to play more in the d-zone instead of getting the puck to the forwards. But hey, you guys have couple of months to rehearse your "omg, bread went to the Rags! Dale probably forgot bread's agents number!"-shock.
you are making no sense. But then again, you wanted Huberdeau traded for the longest time.
 
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