The 2019-20 Around the League Thread, Pt. VI - Zamboni Goalie Edition

[PG Canuck]

Getting a pick for $190,000 and no assets isn't a terrible trade.

It is hilarious that is all the Leafs did today that was noteworthy. I shall enjoy watching them sputter down the stretch - now only if Florida can not do the same, that'd be great.

 

[vanuck]

It is hilarious that is all the Leafs did today that was noteworthy. I shall enjoy watching them sputter down the stretch - now only if Florida can not do the same, that'd be great.

Speaking of Florida, how is Tallon not on the hot seat by now? He's been there for years yet it seems like they're always taking one step forward, and one step back.

 

[canuckking1]

Panthers got better IMO. Think they take the 3rd spot in the Atlantic.

 

[Zombotron]

Elvis is hurt

 

[LuckyDay]

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[PG Canuck]

Elvis is hurt

Columbus has had no luck. Korpisalo gets back? Your turn to be hurt Elvis.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Tough break for the Leafs.
I think Ayres just has the Leafs number. I think they’d beat most other Zamboni drivers to be honest.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Bizarre situation in Montreal...The team has not drafted well in GM Marc Bergevins 8 years on the job...and they are doing a 'rebuild on the fly' (sound familiar?)...He claims that he will be putting good team together next year (even though this will likely be their 3rd year with no trip to the post season),so that's why he didn't cash in some of his current roster for futures at the TDL.

Fans are livid..they see a team that is nowhere good enough to compete..and too good to get a game changer at the top of the draft (especially with Price and Weber on the roster).

Hate to say it, but I see the Habs headed to the cellar and 'bottoming out' for 3-4 years minimum...It's inevitable, no amount of UFA signing or trades are going to get you out of this mess.....Thats a team that could use a Judd Brackett on their payroll.

 

[MS]

Bizarre situation in Montreal...The team has not drafted well in GM Marc Bergevins 8 years on the job...and they are doing a 'rebuild on the fly' (sound familiar?)...He claims that he will be putting good team together next year (even though this will likely be their 3rd year with no trip to the post season),so that's why he didn't cash in some of his current roster for futures at the TDL.

Fans are livid..they see a team that is nowhere good enough to compete..and too good to get a game changer at the top of the draft (especially with Price and Weber on the roster).

Hate to say it, but I see the Habs headed to the cellar and 'bottoming out' for 3-4 years minimum...It's inevitable, no amount of UFA signing or trades are going to get you out of this mess.....Thats a team that could use a Judd Brackett on their payroll.

It feels like Montreal has been the same team for over 20 years now. Top goalie, some high-scoring blueliners, and the most vanilla group of 40-point speedy undersized grinders/redemption projects up front you could possibly imagine. And finish 11th-20th in the NHL every year, depending on whether the team has a few things go right or a few things go wrong. The names change but everything stays the same.

They've had 4 70+ point seasons from forwards in the last 22 years. 1 in the last 12 years. Assuming Miller and Pettersson finish the year OK, we'll have had 28 in the last 22 years and 13 in the last 12.

 

[PG Canuck]

How Montreal didn’t trade Tatar after seeing what the market was paying is insane to me.

 

[timw33]

It feels like Montreal has been the same team for over 20 years now. Top goalie, some high-scoring blueliners, and the most vanilla group of 40-point speedy undersized grinders/redemption projects up front you could possibly imagine. And finish 11th-20th in the NHL every year, depending on whether the team has a few things go right or a few things go wrong. The names change but everything stays the same.

They've had 4 70+ point seasons from forwards in the last 22 years. 1 in the last 12 years. Assuming Miller and Pettersson finish the year OK, we'll have had 28 in the last 22 years and 13 in the last 12.

The 70+ forward stats stuck out to me, I was having this conversation with a couple friends and we started going back through past seasons to see whens the last time MTL had like a 90+ point performance and it was the early 90's.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

How Montreal didn’t trade Tatar after seeing what the market was paying is insane to me.

GM Bergevin at his post TDL presser yesterday:

Q: "how long do you expect the core to stay together"

A: "There are players on our team that are hard to replace... and see if there's an extension is possible, at some point I make the decision to make changes.... to early to tell that"

"in a perfect world UFAs are not what you want, it might be our best option"

"trades are hard to do"

"I trust our current group to bounce back"

"it was a difficult market this year"

"if we win the lottery we are ahead of the game"

 

[Tim Calhoun]

How Montreal didn’t trade Tatar after seeing what the market was paying is insane to me.

Their asking price must have been too high. Dude garnered a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd a year ago and has only improved his stock since then.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

They've had 4 70+ point seasons from forwards in the last 22 years. 1 in the last 12 years. Assuming Miller and Pettersson finish the year OK, we'll have had 28 in the last 22 years and 13 in the last 12.

Jesus christ

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Ok cool
But you telling me that Toronto spent the day on math and acquiring a 5th round pick instead of adding pieces to compete or trading Barrier away?

What a wasted season and terrible trade

so good

 

[Dab]

Dubas ripped to shreds:

“But as for how to remedy those issues — those are the kinds of problems that can’t necessarily be addressed on trade deadline day. Hearts aren’t available for draft picks. Souls aren’t sold for prospects. Guts can’t be inserted into the core of your roster with a tweak around its edges. For now there’s no magical solution but the Maple Leafs discovering those essential components within themselves.”
Kyle Dubas’ vision for Maple Leafs has its flaws — and it’s got him rattled | The Star

 

[Aphid Attraction]

I’ve never hated on Benning and I don’t think he is as unintelligent as some people say. But some one posted on here that he is like Forest Gump and I like the idea. He basically lucked into rebuilding with two Amazing players after trying to push for the playoffs. But I just don’t understand at this stage why some fans don’t want to sit back and enjoy the show. I will not be mad if Benning Forest Gumps his way to meeting the President. And gets a number retired in doing so. And I give him full credit for the moves he has made this year

Now Marky is gone down and Demko will rise up playing lights out taking the starters job and Benning will Gump his way into saving on the big contract Marky will get next year and the expansion draft protection. LETS GO

 

[Snatcher Demko]

Bergevin isn't a terrible GM, in fact he gets value and is a good asset manager. But they haven't drafted nearly well enough to justify this "rebuild on the fly". Similar to Vancouver the real problem is higher up the ladder with a stubborn lack of direction or even a sense of reality.

The Habs need to get worse to get better, that's pretty clear.

 

[Zombotron]

 

[MS]

Bergevin isn't a terrible GM, in fact he gets value and is a good asset manager. But they haven't drafted nearly well enough to justify this "rebuild on the fly". Similar to Vancouver the real problem is higher up the ladder with a stubborn lack of direction or even a sense of reality.

The Habs need to get worse to get better, that's pretty clear.

Bergevin's first few years were terrible but his last couple have been very good. Problem is that with the hole that franchise was dug into, all his improved trading and asset management have managed to do is halt the freefall into being a bottom-5 team.

Also their drafting and development have been consistently awful. Looking through their picks in the first 3 rounds of the draft since 2008 is depressing.

 

[Zombotron]

I remember when Trevor Timmins had goodwill in the bank

 

[Hit the post]

Down memory lane:

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Bergevin isn't a terrible GM, in fact he gets value and is a good asset manager. But they haven't drafted nearly well enough to justify this "rebuild on the fly". Similar to Vancouver the real problem is higher up the ladder with a stubborn lack of direction or even a sense of reality.

The Habs need to get worse to get better, that's pretty clear.

Thats precisely the way I saw it..There is a correlation to the Canucks ..Poor drafting (Gillis)...Lack of direction/Sense of reality (early Benning/Linden/Aqualini).

The only way out..is to bottom out..It can be done expediently.. (look at what the Senators have got coming up in the next draft)...but prepare to be out of playoff contention for a good 4-5 years.

 

[vanuck]

Bergevin isn't a terrible GM, in fact he gets value and is a good asset manager. But they haven't drafted nearly well enough to justify this "rebuild on the fly". Similar to Vancouver the real problem is higher up the ladder with a stubborn lack of direction or even a sense of reality.

The Habs need to get worse to get better, that's pretty clear.

Yeah their drafting in the 1st round ever since 2009 has been generally horrible. Since that year they've also found only 4 guys outside the 1st round (Gallagher, Lehkonen, De La Rose and Mete) who are established players still in the NHL right now.

Really makes you wonder why the hell he wasn't moved to another team.

 

[Hansen]

Jumbo Joe can go kick rocks, he doesn't deserve a cup