The 2018 Panthers off-season thread- Part II

[floridada]

 

[GermanPanther]

I remember hearing Tallon mentioned he likes having "line pairs" with the third guy being a moveable part. I think he mentioned Dadonov-Barkov and Huby-Trocheck as examples, where they should stay on a line and move other pieces around throughout the year to see what fits

And Bjugstad scored his most Points with Dadonov or Huberdeau, i think everything belongs to Hoffmann and who he finds chemisty with.
If Hoffmann can score more cause he can use the excellent passes from Dadonov and Barkov or the rush Game with Trocheck is the better option. And Trocheck and Huberdeau score a few Goals in Situation where they make more selfish play, special Trocheck.
So i could see Hoffmann ending on Barkov Line, look on the Hoffmann highlights, how often he scored with the puck landing on his Stick and scored.

 

[GermanPanther]

He work on his reputation nothing wrong with it, but useing Jagr 68 i hope he could score like 68.

 

[BeezKnees]

And Bjugstad scored his most Points with Dadonov or Huberdeau, i think everything belongs to Hoffmann and who he finds chemisty with.
If Hoffmann can score more cause he can use the excellent passes from Dadonov and Barkov or the rush Game with Trocheck is the better option. And Trocheck and Huberdeau score a few Goals in Situation where they make more selfish play, special Trocheck.
So i could see Hoffmann ending on Barkov Line, look on the Hoffmann highlights, how often he scored with the puck landing on his Stick and scored.

I agree. I'd like to see Hoffman try RW on the top line for us. Or maybe stay at LW and let Dadonov move back to being RW.

 

[FrolikFan67]

if hoffman can play rw, and i dont see why not, he scores most of his goals on one-timers and shouldnt be a rough transition, then go out and get pacioretty:

Pacioretty-Barkov-Dadonov
Huberdeau-Trocheck-Hoffman

with Borgstrom centering line 3? with Yandle, Ekblad, and Matheson on the backend? all while retaining Tippett and Denisenko? its about time this team became legit. get it done.

 

[PSLguy]

Why do most here want to trade assets for Pacioretty when it is a possible one year rental?

Bjugstad had 49 points last year and Pac had 37 in a shortened season (64 games). He's been averaging in the 60 point range for a few years. So it would be around a 15-20 point improvement at best. For a possible one year rental. If re-signed he would cost a lot more than Bjugstad too.

 

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

Why do most here want to trade assets for Pacioretty when it is a possible one year rental?

Bjugstad had 49 points last year and Pac had 37 in a shortened season (64 games). He's been averaging in the 60 point range for a few years. So it would be around a 15-20 point improvement at best. For a possible one year rental. If re-signed he would cost a lot more than Bjugstad too.

Pacioretty is 10x better than Bjugstad and he was playing with garbage linemates.

 

[PSLguy]

Pacioretty is 10x better than Bjugstad and he was playing with garbage linemates.

Disagree x10

 

[Android 16]

Grow a pair Tallon and deal Bjugstad, picks, etc for Pac. Team's chances at a Cup THIS year go way up. And if we sign him then our window doesn't get hurt.

Huberdeau - Barkov - Dadonov
Hoffman - Trocheck - Pacioretty
Vatrano - Borgström - Sceviour
Mamin - McCann - Malgin

 

[RogerRoger]

Disagree x10

10 times is an exageretion, but Patch is better than Bjug. If we are getting Patch as a rental, imo it's because we are gunning for the Cup and imo it's better to send McGinn + Mack + pick than Bjug.
Getting Patch for McGinn is a much better improvement of the roster than Patch for Bjug.
Patch-Barkov-Dadonov
Hoffman-Tro-Malgin
Huberdeau-Borg-Bjug
Mamin-McCann-Vatrano/Ssceviour

 

[Android 16]

Why do most here want to trade assets for Pacioretty when it is a possible one year rental?

Because he lives in Florida, wants to play here, if we have a good year (we have to) then it'll be no problem, and it's worth the risk if you believe we've seen the best from Bjugstad already.

 

[PSLguy]

Because he lives in Florida, wants to play here, if we have a good year (we have to) then it'll be no problem, and it's worth the risk if you believe we've seen the best from Bjugstad already.

Not saying I wouldn't say him in FL, just don't want to sell off players for a possible 1 year rental.

Sign and trade? Depends on term as he either is 30 or will be this season. Will he want 7 years?

A lot of questions that need answers first.

 

[FlaPanthers11]

10 times is an exageretion, but Patch is better than Bjug. If we are getting Patch as a rental, imo it's because we are gunning for the Cup and imo it's better to send McGinn + Mack + pick than Bjug.
Getting Patch for McGinn is a much better improvement of the roster than Patch for Bjug.
Patch-Barkov-Dadonov
Huberdeau-Tro-Malgin
Vatrano-Borg-Bjug
Mamin-McCann-Sceviour
Haley

I know its Bergevin but Montreal runs.

Pacioretty's next contract will be rough in 3 years I'd rather not.

 

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

10 times is an exageretion, but Patch is better than Bjug. If we are getting Patch as a rental, imo it's because we are gunning for the Cup and imo it's better to send McGinn + Mack + pick than Bjug.
Getting Patch for McGinn is a much better improvement of the roster than Patch for Bjug.
Patch-Barkov-Dadonov
Huberdeau-Tro-Malgin
Vatrano-Borg-Bjug
Mamin-McCann-Sceviour
Haley

I mean he’s better than Bjugs at every facet of the game.

 

[GermanPanther]

Why do most here want to trade assets for Pacioretty when it is a possible one year rental?

Bjugstad had 49 points last year and Pac had 37 in a shortened season (64 games). He's been averaging in the 60 point range for a few years. So it would be around a 15-20 point improvement at best. For a possible one year rental. If re-signed he would cost a lot more than Bjugstad too.

Yes an Argument that count in here, its only the Contract Situation and the Points. What speaks for him 5 Season with over 35 Goals, so what know is to guess or to think about, was last Season only a single bad Season or the first sign of Pacioretty are already over the Mountain. Next Question if we trade for him is how long want he the next extension.
The next Question then is how much does he want if he re-signs, i mean its speaks for him that he scored from 6 Season 4 Season over 30 Goals.
Only that you all understand James Neal get 5,750 Million and has a few Goals and Point less then Pacioretty, so Pacioretty could ask for 6 Million or more.

A Point that speaks against your Argument, even Bjugstad sayed it in the Interview, Barkov and Dadonov make it pretty easy for him to score and get more Points. For that look about the other/older Discussion about Bjugstad when or how he scored. The Problem for Bjugstad no one knows how much Points he could get or how much more can he bring in. The last 4 Season, with two middle time Injuries doesnt help to see, what is the Max. Also that in no Season he scored more then 25 Goals doesnt help him.

So current i would say, it would be easier if the Panthers already know what Pacioretty aims in his next extension. And how much you can get out of him in the next 3.5 Years.
But if its able to make the Deal i would make it. Not i dont like Bjugstad, more the fact with Pacioretty there is a more sure or secure chance to add another 60 Points Player.

For those who say only 15 Points more. 15 Points means at least 5-9 more Goals, that means for me 2.4 more wins and that means 4-8 Points more and in the End as we saw this Season every Point count.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Will Pacioretty and 3 other guys (Trocheck, Hoffman, Dadonov) all score 30+ goals though? Honest question. Are we going to average 4 goals a game?

I'm on the train to wait for him in free agency if he really wants to come here. Trade the 2019 1st + Pysyk/Petrovic + 2nd/prospect for a RD upgrade.
I believe our offense is strong enough as is to compete.

 

[FrolikFan67]

are we seriously comparing bjugstad to max pacioretty? a guy, who outside of last year, has scored like 35+ g five times out of the previous six years and 30g in the other?

 

[FrolikFan67]

10 times is an exageretion, but Patch is better than Bjug. If we are getting Patch as a rental, imo it's because we are gunning for the Cup and imo it's better to send McGinn + Mack + pick than Bjug.
Getting Patch for McGinn is a much better improvement of the roster than Patch for Bjug.
Patch-Barkov-Dadonov
Huberdeau-Tro-Malgin
Vatrano-Borg-Bjug
Mamin-McCann-Sceviour
Haley

hoffman*

 

[Chaos2k7]

are we seriously comparing bjugstad to max pacioretty? a guy, who outside of last year, has scored like 35+ g five times out of the previous six years and 30g in the other?

Time to pump the brakes on the hype train. LOL

 

[RogerRoger]

hoffman*

Damn, that group of forward would be something real nice.

 

[FrolikFan67]

Time to pump the brakes on the hype train. LOL

well those are actual statistics. now if you think that after this season hes on the downturn then thats a different story but i dont see anything to assume that. hes not THAT old, hes 29 going on 30, hes play with plekanecs forever, imagine barkov? and dadonov as well (very very under rated distributer/passer)? i dont see him having any issue hitting 30+ goals consistently.

 

[Chaos2k7]

well those are actual statistics. now if you think that after this season hes on the downturn then thats a different story but i dont see anything to assume that. hes not THAT old, hes 29 going on 30, hes play with plekanecs forever, imagine barkov? and dadonov as well (very very under rated distributer/passer)? i dont see him having any issue hitting 30+ goals consistently.

I meant the brakes for Big Nick.

 

[I am not exposed]

Pacioretty is also one of the best defensive wingers in the game. It would be a massive upgrade on Bjugstad.

If we do get Pacioretty, I hope we don't call him Patches (shudders). I really hate that nickname.

 

[RainingRats]

Does it make sense to give up assets for Patches when we should only keep him for a year?

Tallon never struck me as a rental type GM and his trades tend to get someone for pennies on the dollar. Patches at market value can't be that intriguing to Tallon.

 

[Gentle Man]

Pacioretty is also one of the best defensive wingers in the game. It would be a massive upgrade on Bjugstad.

If we do get Pacioretty, I hope we don't call him Patches (shudders). I really hate that nickname.

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