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tgallant said:
I know that the chances of my lineup happening is slim... I didn't go by what I think Sutter would do... But instead by what I think should be the lineup... Personally, although he was great last year, I don't find that Dawes has done anything to impress me enough this year... Adding guys like Bernier, Brule, etc, they may only play bit parts sure... I'll be completely honest here too... I'm a big Bernier fan so that would likely be a big reason why I have him there... I don't expect Bernier or Brule or McGrath to make the team over Dawes... I'm just writing the lineup that I'd like to see... Last year we lost... Why not change some things up?
That last point you made is a very good one and should be discussed more.
Last year they went with players that suited the style of play they wanted
instead of the best.This also overflowed into icetime.For awhile it worked but
when they came up against a faster team in the Americans it caught up to them.
Brent Burns was absolutely horrible in the final last year and really anyone could
see it coming.Crosby's line played well that game as did Maxime Talbot's.They
should have been given more icetime especially when it was evident early on that
Burns was struggling.
 

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pei fan said:
Apparently Sutter doesn't want anybody new from the Q.I would put Picard
ahead of those 2.Pouliot wouldn't be high on my list at all.


I believe he also said Dixon might not make the team. He listed Crosby and Bergeron as the only Q players (even though Bergeron isn't in the Q) and maybe Dixion since he was a returnee, according to Bobby Mac on TSN. Although I didn't see it, just read that's what he said yesterday.
 

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I personally think Sutter is going to go with who he knows. Considering this here is my projected lineup:

Dawes------Richards-----Stewart
- best line in the WJC last year

Bergeron-----Crosby------Carter
- someone had to move to the wing - I'm moving Carter

Getzlaf-----Stone-----Fehr
- Stone & Fehr are way too good together - look for this line combo in the WHL vs. Russians

Dixon-----Colliton-----Fraser
- Sutter loves Frasers tenacious style and competiveness - he knows Fraser will do anything asked

Ex. Brule - not along for the ride and may take Dixons or Frasers spot if they aren't getting the job done

Phaneuf-----Seabrook
Burns-----Coburn
Belle-----Weber
Barker

Nastiuk
Beauchemin

Sutter sees a lot of these goalies - esp. Nastiuk

Goalies really seem to be the one spot where anything can happen...if one of the OHL goalies plays well during camp it could easily be on of them there but for now those are the two I'm going with.

This may make a few people mad but I don't even see Dubnyk getting an invite to camp. He has played very well on a weak team but personally, I feel more confident with a guy like Nastiuk or even Beauchemin in net over Dubnyk - Dubnyk seems so streaky to me...
 

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Pedrostallion1 said:
I personally think Sutter is going to go with who he knows.

Some people may find it interesting to know that Flames GM Darryl Sutter is touring around constantly watching a variety of leagues and has said he talks to his brother about players under consideration for the WJC team. Sounds like he just recently watched some of U Mich, London, Kitchener, etc.

And I'm sure Brent Sutter has other connections to the OHL, NCAA, etc that we don't know about. I'm sure he stays informed on a lot of these players.
 

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pei fan said:
Apparently Sutter doesn't want anybody new from the Q.I would put Picard
ahead of those 2.Pouliot wouldn't be high on my list at all.

And that is why I'll be cheering for Belarus.
 

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Seriously If the only Q player chosen is Crosby that will show a lack of serious from those who chose the team.

Any team will benefit of a Bourret or S. Bernier type of player. I always heard that Phaneuf hits hard, and it's true, but I think some people didn't see Bourret or Bernier hit, because they are pure weapon to. And in addition they are damn good scorer.
 

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Seriously If the only Q player chosen is Crosby that will show a lack of serious from those who chose the team.

Any team will benefit of a Bourret or S. Bernier type of player. I always heard that Phaneuf hits hard, and it's true, but I think some people didn't see Bourret or Bernier hit, because they are pure weapon to. And in addition they are damn good scorer.

Agreed. Anyway, I don't buy the whole "no Q player this year" thing. They will go with the best players available, that's why it is impossible that there will be only 1 Q player on the team. Crosby will make it, Dixon will make it, one or two of Alexandre Picard (forward), Marc-Antoine Pouliot, Steve Bernier or Dany Roussin will make it, and defenseman Alexandre Picard will be invited to the training camp (he was invited last year).
 

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Agreed. Anyway, I don't buy the whole "no Q player this year" thing. They will go with the best players available, that's why it is impossible that there will be only 1 Q player on the team. Crosby will make it, Dixon will make it, one or two of Alexandre Picard (forward), Marc-Antoine Pouliot, Steve Bernier or Dany Roussin will make it, and defenseman Alexandre Picard will be invited to the training camp (he was invited last year).


I'll bet Roussin, Pouliot or Picard don't make it. I wouldn't pick them if I was Suter, maybe Picard, who I like. Suter will take more physically stronger players imo. I don't think Dixon is a lock to make the team either, but I do think he'll get a spot. This year the comp is very very tough, so lots of bubble guys will be watching from home.
 

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I'll bet Roussin, Pouliot or Picard don't make it. I wouldn't pick them if I was Suter, maybe Picard, who I like. Suter will take more physically stronger players imo. I don't think Dixon is a lock to make the team either, but I do think he'll get a spot. This year the comp is very very tough, so lots of bubble guys will be watching from home.

I'll bet you one of Roussin, Pouliot or Picard will make the team. Those are the three best players in the Q outside Crosby. IMO the logical choice is Pouliot. He's been overlooked because he's on the Oceanic, but he's a really great player, smart in both zones with a greaaat offensive awareness.

PS... Seriously, wanna bet something ? Maybe a tape ? I know you've got plenty. If I lose, I have the second QJMHL game vs Russia taped, and one of Cory Urquhart in the ECHL too. Should be fun, isn't it ?
 

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Ok here's mine..

Bergeron - Crosby - Carter
Dawes - Richards - Stewart
Stone - Getzlaf - Fehr
Dixon - Chipchura - Perry

Phaneuf - Seabrook
Burns - Coburn
Belle - Barker

Nastiuk
Beauchemin
 

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If they add another Q player besides Crosby and/or Dixon(I don't think he'll make the team) it would be goalie Julien Ellis-Plante IMO. Infact he made 38 saves tonight recording a shutout over a very good offensive Moncton team.
 

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If they add another Q player besides Crosby and/or Dixon(I don't think he'll make the team) it would be goalie Julien Ellis-Plante IMO. Infact he made 38 saves tonight recording a shutout over a very good offensive Moncton team.
I agree. It would be nice to see him make the squad.
 

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markov` said:
I'll bet you one of Roussin, Pouliot or Picard will make the team. Those are the three best players in the Q outside Crosby. IMO the logical choice is Pouliot. He's been overlooked because he's on the Oceanic, but he's a really great player, smart in both zones with a greaaat offensive awareness.

PS... Seriously, wanna bet something ? Maybe a tape ? I know you've got plenty. If I lose, I have the second QJMHL game vs Russia taped, and one of Cory Urquhart in the ECHL too. Should be fun, isn't it ?


Your on, but I already got the 2nd remax game. How about some Q games instead? As for those 3 players, I like Bernier and Bourret over them. Pouliot is made of glass and Roussin I'm just not a big fan of. I could see Picard making it, but going off Sutter's comments, it doesn't seem likely at all.
 

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I noticed when I poster my picks earlier I assumed that Canada's best line from last year was Dawes - Carter - Stewart when in fact it was Richards at center.
I also took into consideration that Brent Sutter will likely be a tad more biased towards players from the WHL and especially players he coached... though I don't blame him.

Let me try again...

[I'm adding Horton. If he can't be there Perry takes his spot and Dixon is 13th frwd.]

LW - C - RW (13 forwards)
#1 Bergeron ----- Crosby ----- Horton
(That's an amazing line. Has it all.)

#2 Dawes ------ Richards ------ Stewart
(If it ain't broke...)

#3 Bernier ------ Stone ------ Fehr
(Stone-Fehr are unreal, Bernier is a tank (225lbs) with speed and can score too)

#4 Fraser ------ Carter ------ Getzlaf
(Fraser is the Sutter bias, Carter-Getzlaf are WJC vets. Big, tough, shut-down line)

- 13th guy = Perry: A powerplay specialist. Dawes - Crosby - Perry - Phaneuf - Barker on the Powerplay would be excellent. (Quite frankly he might not be able to skate with some of the speedsters above but his offense is incredible.)

LD - RD (7 rearguards)

#1 Phaneuf - Weber
(Keep your head up!!! Log major icetime)

#2 Barker - Seabrook
(Big boys with great, great puck skills. Grace under pressure)

#3 Coburn - Green
(One will get you with reach, the other with open ice hits. Good puck movers)

- 7th guy = Burns: WJC vet. Could outplay an above d-man. Could be used on the PP for his great slap shot. Could even play forward in case of injury or poor play. This guy is worth having around.

Conclusion: I balanced the positions the best I could. I also took into consideration all the above posts. I obviously don't know what Sutter will do but I tried my best to guess. It's safe to say he'll want size & toughness... plus players he coached, like Fraser.

PS: I really, really hope Horton will play... that top line would kick ass in the NHL.
 
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Getzlaff-Carter-Horton*
Dawes-Richards-Stewart
Perry-Crosby-Fehr
Bergeron-Collition-Dixon (checking line)
Chipchura


Phaneuf-Coburn
Belle-Seabrook
Barker-Burns
Green


Beauchemin-Shantz
 

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Dawes - Richards - Stewart
Bergeron - Crosby - Fehr
Dixon - Colliton - Fraser
Getzlaf - Carter - S. Bernier

Phaneuf - Seabrook
Barker - Coburn
Burns - Weber

Natsiuk
Dubnyk

extras = Belle, Chipchura, Stone

*If Horton plays bump Fehr down to the 4th line and Bernier out of the line-up*
**Dubnyk will get in because of U-18 contribution/experience and to be groomed for next years team**
***Pouliot does not deserve to be on this team (coming from an Oiler fan). Everything that was a knock on Perry last year is a knock on Pouliot this year i.e. slow skater, not good on the forecheck, and too easily knocked off the puck. Canada plays a heavy puck possesion game, we won't be taking people who have deficiencies in their game that make them particularly prone to turnovers.***
 

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espion said:
Getzlaff-Carter-Horton*
Dawes-Richards-Stewart
Perry-Crosby-Fehr
Bergeron-Collition-Dixon (checking line)
Chipchura


Phaneuf-Coburn
Belle-Seabrook
Barker-Burns
Green


Beauchemin-Shantz
Ok, send me a private message if you need an explanation about the game of hockey, because by the look of that, I wouldn't be suprised... I'm sorry to sound so mean about it, and I know my post wasn't perfect, but your's is just wrong in SO many ways!

1) Bergeron on the 4th line? He's tearing up the AHL and was a candidate for rookie of the year in the NHL, and you think he'll be a 4th line player used in a checking role?
2) Crosby on the 3rd line? The guy is the most dominant player in junior hockey... How can you validate having him on the 3rd line?
3) Beauchemin and Shantz in net? Beauchemin hasn't looked good this year and really, Shantz hasn't been that hot either... How can you leave Nastiuk off the team with the incredible season he's having, plus his prior international experience?

Defense looks good though :handclap:

Sorry to be an @ss about it, but I just really have no clue where you are coming from on those three issues... Care to explain?
 

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His numbers this season are way bad.
 

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X-SHARKIE said:
So Bernier has a shot at the team this year you think? After his performance at the U-18 two years ago I was surprised he didn't make it last year, but it seems he's come along way since.

Thoughts?

He deserved to be there but according to Makenzie (junior hockey specialist at tsn) coach Sutter will only take Crosby Bergeron and Dixon from the Q.

The problem is that other league OHL and WHL lack of respect for the Q.

But IMO even if he don't make the team consider he is one of the 15 best player in the chl. He is not in the league leaders in point, but it's because he plays with a defensive team.
 

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Danny Syvret could make a serious push to make the WJC team. Pretty solid against the Russian Selects.

GP 23
G 9
A 20
PTS 29
PIM 10
+/- 31!!!!

Numbers are somewhat inflated but take off 10 pts and 10+/- and they're still superb.
 

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Ok, send me a private message if you need an explanation about the game of hockey, because by the look of that, I wouldn't be suprised... I'm sorry to sound so mean about it, and I know my post wasn't perfect, but your's is just wrong in SO many ways!

1) Bergeron on the 4th line? He's tearing up the AHL and was a candidate for rookie of the year in the NHL, and you think he'll be a 4th line player used in a checking role?
2) Crosby on the 3rd line? The guy is the most dominant player in junior hockey... How can you validate having him on the 3rd line?
3) Beauchemin and Shantz in net? Beauchemin hasn't looked good this year and really, Shantz hasn't been that hot either... How can you leave Nastiuk off the team with the incredible season he's having, plus his prior international experience?

Defense looks good though :handclap:

Sorry to be an @ss about it, but I just really have no clue where you are coming from on those three issues... Care to explain?

Yes I will explain. But before I do, seriously you need to brush up on how past WJC team Canada teams are built before dismissing my post and saying I know nothing about hockey because of how I put 4 strong junior lines in a particular order.

As far as Bergeron on the checking line goes... Canada's checking lines at the WJC are an integral part of the team and are given huge responsibilities. They are not a "4th line" as you think but one of the 3 main lines on the team. It is always one of the 3 scoring lines that are anointed as the "4th line" and recieve a little less ice time. The checking line is often matched up in big games against the opponent's most dangerous trio. Considering that Bergeron is the most complete and defensively responsible forward on the team, it makes sense to give him checking responsibilities. The team will be stacked with Junior players who always think offense first (unlike Bergeron who is awfully conscious of both ends of the ice for a kjid his age). Also the checking line is counted on for a prime time role on the PK, a place where Bergeron will shine.

Now notice on my initial post that I never said

LINE 1: xxxx-xxxx-xxxx
LINE 2: xxxx-xxxx-xxxx
LINE 3: xxxx-xxxx-xxxx
LINE 4: xxxx-xxxx-xxxx

I just put up the 4 lines I think should be put together. Naturally one is on top of the other, but that doesn't mean I feel that the 1st one I list is the 1st line.

As you may or may not know, last year's team was very dominant (aside from the 3rd period of the fianls). Many players from last year are back and will becounted on to deliver. Since the top 2 offensive lines from last year are nearly all back, I think it makes sense to leave them together. Last year's 1st line was

Getzlaff-Carter-______

So I put them 1st on my list... because they were the 1st line last year. I added Horton there because he would fit on such a big power line. Makes sense no?

Last year's 2nd line dominated on the scoring sheet. I don't see why they should be broken up. That was the

Dawes-Richards-Stewart

line. I put them 2nd because they hapenned to be the 2nd line last year. Not because I think they should be given the 2nd most ice time. That is up to the coach's discretion, as you may know. I thought we were just naming the team herte and putting lines together.

That left me with the Crosby line. Given, that I put the OHL scoring leader (Perry) with him... And the WHL goal scoring leader with him (Fehr)... I don't think that it consists of a 3rd line. It is a damn dominant scoring line, just like the other 2. The coach can decide which to puit on 1st, I don't give a ****. They will all dominate. By the way, I listed Crosby's line 3rd because his was the 3rd scoring line last year. That's the only reason.

Are you satisfied oh great connaisseur of hockey? Does that make more sense now? Or are you going to label me again as not knowing anytrhing about hockey after reading one post that was simply 23 junior players paired up in lines? You know you should really getb to know someone before calling them idiots or whatever you called me.

As for Beauchemin... he is one of only 3 good players on Prince Albert. The other 2 are Collition and Chipchura whom you apparently approve of being on this team. If you watched Raiders games this year, you would know that the Raiders would be the 2nd worst team in the Dub this season if it wasn't for their star goalie.

Have a nice day :)
 

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mazmin said:
#4 Fraser ------ Carter ------ Getzlaf
(Fraser is the Sutter bias, Carter-Getzlaf are WJC vets. Big, tough, shut-down line)

You know you have a strong team when .. Getzlaf and Carter are 4th liners

I don't think they have been 4th liners since PEE WEE ..
 

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Nastiuk
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Phaneuf-Barker
Coburn-Seabrook
Burns-Syvret

Bergeron-Crosby-Perry
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Getzlaft-Carter-Horton
Stone-Brule-Dixon
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