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Yeah but if you're part of an ethnicality/nationality based organized crime it kind of ruins the experience for everyone if you waggle the finger to the new recruits that yeah, we don't that stuff. Now go with Angelo and Jamal to get some heat.
 
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Yeah but if you're part of an ethnicality/nationality based organized crime it kind of ruins the experience for everyone if you waggle the finger to the new recruits that yeah, we don't that stuff. Now go with Angelo and Jamal to get some heat.

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I can't post proof of it, but I will say I made the choice not to register for the Canes 5K yesterday. That's the next upcoming opportunity to put my own time and money into the organization.

Beyond that I'll continue to evaluate how this plays out. Making someone like me (an STM and active hockey player with two tween-aged children at home) less of a fan by even a marginal amount will most certainly have an actual financial outcome for the organization.
What I learned is TarHeel is out of shape and doesn’t want to embarrass himself in the canes 5K. Or worse yet, get injured. :sarcasm:
 

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Hello folks, finally got around to reading this and I have to say 1. I appreciate this discussion about my reasoning/reporting far more than other discussions I've seen elsewhere. I think it's fair, and I think you should be questioning me. I also think the person who said I'm confused if I want to be a social media personality or a professional beat writer is absolutely correct -- I am confused about that in navigating the current media landscape. I love writing stories, I hate day-to-day stuff, and I simply cannot shut up when it comes to giving my opinion. I also wanted to say 2. if you don't want me hanging around here and occasionally popping in I'll delete my account, not trying to be a hall monitor or call people out for anything, but sometimes I like to get story ideas/etc. from here because there is often a lot of really insightful back-and-forth that makes me think differently than the hivemind of Twitter.

I did want to address the ethnic vs. racial slur thing: I referred to it as a "racial slur" while questioning Tony and he didn't correct me, so then I went "slur" in the story. I want to make it clear that in no part of my reporting did I call him a racist, and I get there can be splitting hairs when it comes to these definitions. I simply referred to it as a "slur" in the story. I also wanted to say the story mentioned nothing about his politics, just that he engaged in a politically charged conversation with a fan that resulted in him urging the fan to find him outside of MSG. (The Hurricanes' signing of Tony DeAngelo was a choice — and one that could change the perception of the team).

If I needed everyone in hockey to agree with my admittedly radical political views I'd be very disappointed. As I've tweeted, it'd be extremely naïve to assume even half of any NHL locker room is liberal. That was never the issue, and no one has to agree with me about politics. The main red flags for me, as I hope the article represented if you read it in good faith, are the temper, fan relations, and the fact that he was literally waived by a team less than a year ago. How does that not raise some eyebrows?

I was actually going into that press conference hoping he had changed and the Canes had more to say than they did. That press conference was on them, not Tony. I respected Tony for answering questions head on although I sincerely don't believe he's "changed" because I wasn't presented with enough evidence. I am open to the possibility that he has, though. I don't think Bear should have been questioned about this but the response was encouraging, and I tweeted it out for that reason.

And finally, you'll notice in my tweets about the Virtanen situation I was Careful to say "THE CANES say the team never had interest in Virtanen." A source not with the Canes is the one who told me and the multiple reporters who tweeted the initial reports that the Canes were interested. I'm still working on figuring out the truth there, but the Canes saying they weren't interested doesn't mean enough to me to throw that all out the window.

Anyways, cheers
 

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if you don't want me hanging around here and occasionally popping in I'll delete my account

I don’t think that would be a reasonable ask of you. We may not always agree with your take, but we also don’t always agree with each other’s takes all the time (actually almost never).

You are welcome to be wrong here just like the rest of us. ;)
 

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I don’t think that would be a reasonable ask of you. We may not always agree with your take, but we also don’t always agree with each other’s takes all the time (actually almost never).

You are welcome to be wrong here just like the rest of us. ;)
Amen. If I’ve learned anything, it’s to never agree with @bleedgreen . @Blueline Bomber learned the hard way.
 
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Hello folks, finally got around to reading this and I have to say 1. I appreciate this discussion about my reasoning/reporting far more than other discussions I've seen elsewhere. I think it's fair, and I think you should be questioning me. I also think the person who said I'm confused if I want to be a social media personality or a professional beat writer is absolutely correct -- I am confused about that in navigating the current media landscape. I love writing stories, I hate day-to-day stuff, and I simply cannot shut up when it comes to giving my opinion. I also wanted to say 2. if you don't want me hanging around here and occasionally popping in I'll delete my account, not trying to be a hall monitor or call people out for anything, but sometimes I like to get story ideas/etc. from here because there is often a lot of really insightful back-and-forth that makes me think differently than the hivemind of Twitter.

I did want to address the ethnic vs. racial slur thing: I referred to it as a "racial slur" while questioning Tony and he didn't correct me, so then I went "slur" in the story. I want to make it clear that in no part of my reporting did I call him a racist, and I get there can be splitting hairs when it comes to these definitions. I simply referred to it as a "slur" in the story. I also wanted to say the story mentioned nothing about his politics, just that he engaged in a politically charged conversation with a fan that resulted in him urging the fan to find him outside of MSG. (The Hurricanes' signing of Tony DeAngelo was a choice — and one that could change the perception of the team).

If I needed everyone in hockey to agree with my admittedly radical political views I'd be very disappointed. As I've tweeted, it'd be extremely naïve to assume even half of any NHL locker room is liberal. That was never the issue, and no one has to agree with me about politics. The main red flags for me, as I hope the article represented if you read it in good faith, are the temper, fan relations, and the fact that he was literally waived by a team less than a year ago. How does that not raise some eyebrows?

I was actually going into that press conference hoping he had changed and the Canes had more to say than they did. That press conference was on them, not Tony. I respected Tony for answering questions head on although I sincerely don't believe he's "changed" because I wasn't presented with enough evidence. I am open to the possibility that he has, though. I don't think Bear should have been questioned about this but the response was encouraging, and I tweeted it out for that reason.

And finally, you'll notice in my tweets about the Virtanen situation I was Careful to say "THE CANES say the team never had interest in Virtanen." A source not with the Canes is the one who told me and the multiple reporters who tweeted the initial reports that the Canes were interested. I'm still working on figuring out the truth there, but the Canes saying they weren't interested doesn't mean enough to me to throw that all out the window.

Anyways, cheers
sara i don't think it's really "splitting hairs" to mention that it was an ethnic slur vs. a racial slur. there are a lot of people who think tony is a racist because it's been wildly circulated (mostly by hockey twitter people who are playing a game of telephone) that he used a racial slur when in actuality he did not. your reporting is only lending to that misconception. you indeed referred to as a "slur" initially in the article but then later in the article you refer to it as a "racial slur." the fact that tony didn't correct you when you asked about a racial slur doesn't mean you should be reporting it as a racial slur in the article. what was he supposed to say, "well, actually it was an anti-semitic slur, not a racial slur"? he would come off really bad and unapologetic if he were say something like that. based on your responses to me in the article's comment section you are fully aware that it was anti-semitic slur, so why aren't you reporting it as such? it's really annoying to see anti-semitism whitewashed and minimized on such a regular basis, and to see you as a jewish person yourself doing it is incredibly disappointing.
 
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saraciv420

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I don’t think that would be a reasonable ask of you. We may not always agree with your take, but we also don’t always agree with each other’s takes all the time (actually almost never).

You are welcome to be wrong here just like the rest of us. ;)

That's what I appreciate about it. It's cool to have a community based on discussion and anonymity where people really are free to say whatever without getting "dunked on" and without character constraints. The level of discussion about actual hockey things here is so good. I'm not constantly lurking or anything but it can be a great escape from Twitter when people are just saying things that are part of their own personal brand they've curated, or whatever. It kind of feels like a final frontier of a digital place to discuss hockey like you would in a bar. And that's why I take zero offense to anything said about me here. There's rarely a personal attack about my looks or whatever, if you don't like me you just genuinely don't like me, and that is very refreshing. That's all I ask, lol
 

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I don’t think that would be a reasonable ask of you. We may not always agree with your take, but we also don’t always agree with each other’s takes all the time (actually almost never).

You are welcome to be wrong here just like the rest of us. ;)

Can confirm: Almost no one agrees with my takes, and I rarely agree with the others posted here. Though that's got more to do with me as a person than the takes themselves.:laugh:
 

saraciv420

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sara i don't think it's really "splitting hairs" to mention that it was an ethnic slur vs. a racial slur. there are a lot of people who think tony is a racist because it's been wildly reported as a racial slur when in actuality it wasn't. your reporting is only lending to that false misconception. you indeed referred to as a "slur" initially in the article but then later in the article you refer to as a "racial slur." the fact that tony didn't correct you when you asked about a racial slur doesn't mean you should reporting it as a racial slur in the article. what was he supposed to say, "well, actually it was an anti-semitic slur, not a racial slur"? he would come off really bad and unapologetic if he were say something like that. based on your responses to me in the article's comment section you are fully aware that it was anti-semitic slur, so why aren't you reporting it as such? it's really annoying to see anti-semitism whitewashed and minimized on such a regular basis, and to see you as a jewish person yourself doing is incredibly dissapointing.

First of all, I already don't trust the NY Post, a company that leans right with reckless abandon and has been wrong time and time again in its own reporting. That's the only place I've seen "ethnic slur," and I reached out to many people trying to figure out what was said and got nothing. The only time "racial slur" occurs in the article is when I'm quoting myself in the press conference. When I responded to you that "I am also Jewish and annoyed" in the comments section, I meant annoyed in general. That wasn't an admittance that I "know" anything
 

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First of all, I already don't trust the NY Post, a company that leans right with reckless abandon and has been wrong time and time again in its own reporting. That's the only place I've seen "ethnic slur," and I reached out to many people trying to figure out what was said and got nothing. The only time "racial slur" occurs in the article is when I'm quoting myself in the press conference. When I responded to you that "I am also Jewish and annoyed" in the comments section, I meant annoyed in general. That wasn't an admittance that I "know" anything
the hockeybuzz article written by a former nhl official also mentinons it as an ethnic slur and specificially mentions nikandrov (who is jewish) in the victim. that's two formal reports. also when you responded to me with "i'm also jewish and annoyed" it was in response me saying i'm annoyed that the media isn't reporting on tony deangelo's anti-semitism. how am i supposed to take that as anything other than an admission that you know about deangelo's anti-semitism?

you seriously need to at least clarify to your audience that there have been multiple reports that it was an ethnic slur towards a white teammate and not a racial slur towards a bipoc teammate. i'm not asking you to state something as fact if you don't know it to be true, but you should least mention that there have been conflicting reports instead of reporting it as a fact as a "racial slur" in your article.
 

saraciv420

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the hockeybuzz article written by a former nhl official also mentinons it as an ethnic slur and specificially mentions nikandrov (who is jewish) in the victim. that's two formal reports. also when you responded to me with "i'm also jewish and annoyed" it was in response me saying i'm annoyed that the media isn't reporting on tony deangelo's anti-semitism. how am i supposed to take that as anything other than an admission that you know about deangelo's anti-semitism?

you seriously need to at least clarify to your audience that there have been multiple reports that it was an ethnic slur towards a white teammate and not a racial slur towards a bipoc teammate. i'm not asking you to state something as fact if you don't know it to be true, but you should least mention that there have been conflicting reports instead of reporting it as a fact as a "racial slur" in your article.

OK, I think your last sentence is extremely fair and a deeper dive into what was actually said is totally warranted. But hold up -- I'm still asking you to find where I reported, as fact, that this was a racial slur. I never did that, and I think at this point we're losing the plot here entirely.

I gotta go for now, but can I just say politics aside I was not expecting his actual voice to sound THAT MUCH like Trump's, lol.
 
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