Confirmed Trade: [TBL/SJS] Barclay Goodrow, 2020 3rd round pick for Anthony Greco, 2020 1st round pick

[The Macho King]

A lot better? You mean the guy with a career high 17pts before given extra ice time he doesn’t deserve because SJ had so many injuries and still didn’t produce any better, or worse, than Ennis, Grant, Namestnikov, Cousins or Eakins?

He’s also 27 so the age part is really irrelevant... it’s not like he’s some young guy with untapped potential.

You may not know this -

Tampa isn't necessarily looking for a guy who is just there to put up points. There are a couple of players on the roster that have shown a decent capability for doing that. they're looking for role players, and Ennis, Grant, Nametnikov, Cousins, and Eakins are not well suited for the role we're going to ask of Goodrow. Just in a vacuum, a bottom six player who is good defensively is worth more than a bottom six player who isn't, because bottom six players who aren't good defensively suck at their roles. Goodrow is absolutely a better player than the above no matter what the stat line is.

Now - being better =/= being worth a first, but that's a different discussion.

 

[nbwingsfan]

You may not know this -

Tampa isn't necessarily looking for a guy who is just there to put up points. There are a couple of players on the roster that have shown a decent capability for doing that. they're looking for role players, and Ennis, Grant, Nametnikov, Cousins, and Eakins are not well suited for the role we're going to ask of Goodrow. Just in a vacuum, a bottom six player who is good defensively is worth more than a bottom six player who isn't, because bottom six players who aren't good defensively suck at their roles. Goodrow is absolutely a better player than the above no matter what the stat line is.

Now - being better =/= being worth a first, but that's a different discussion.

Eakins, Cousins and Grant have been used almost entirely in defensive situations their entire careers...?

 

[hockfan1991]

3rd liner is very much arguable. He has always had 4th line production before this season. Now he's had 4th most ice time among Sharks forwards, playing mostly with their top 3 players in Hertl, Meier and Couture and his production is still pretty average for someone you'd consider a 3rd liner.

They havent played in a couple months

 

[HoseEmDown]

Pretty much how I see it too. If you needed a replacement on your 4th line so badly you HAD to give away a 1st for a new guy then your team probably didn’t deserve to win the Cup. One 4th line guy playing ~10min a game is not going to make or break your cup chances.

Obviously winning the Cup will make this deal irrelevant but doesn’t change that it’s a MASSIVE overpayment.

Cousins was had for a 4th.
Shore for a soon to be bust
Simmonds for a 5th
Ennis for a 5th
Grant for a 4th
Thompson for a 5th
Namestnikov for a 4th
Eakin for a 4th
Goodrow for a 1st

Anyone else notice one of these is out of place?

How many of those guys are already signed for next year at 925k? Also how many of those guys got a 3rd round pick back as well?

 

[nbwingsfan]

How many of those guys are already signed for next year at 925k? Also how many of those guys got a 3rd round pick back as well?

The 3rd round pick now makes it worth giving up another 1st? Plenty of young guys can do what Goodrow does for $925k next season.

 

[HoseEmDown]

The 3rd round pick now makes it worth giving up another 1st? Plenty of young guys can do what Goodrow does for $925k next season.

We drafted Brett Howden 27th 4 years ago, he's in the NHL right now but isn't better than Goodrow. So we traded a pick that we would have to wait 3-4 years to contribute and probably won't be as good as Goodrow in that time for immediate help. Getting the 3rd gives a chance to still draft a kid that can become an NHLer and we've done well in the mid rounds.

 

[nbwingsfan]

We drafted Brett Howden 27th 4 years ago, he's in the NHL right now but isn't better than Goodrow. So we traded a pick that we would have to wait 3-4 years to contribute and probably won't be as good as Goodrow in that time for immediate help. Getting the 3rd gives a chance to still draft a kid that can become an NHLer and we've done well in the mid rounds.

I didn’t know you have 0 NHL ready prospects. Good to know.
Might as well trade all your 1sts for a bunch of 3rd rd picks and 4th line players then?

Point being every other team got their 3rd/4th line Tweener for mid to late round picks. Tampa got boned and traded a 1st for theirs.

 

[llamateizer]

Honestly it's not as bad as it looks.

1st round pick should be around 26-31st
while the 3rd round pick is the 67th

 

[HoseEmDown]

I didn’t know you have 0 NHL ready prospects. Good to know.
Might as well trade all your 1sts for a bunch of 3rd rd picks and 4th line players then?

Point being every other team got their 3rd/4th line Tweener for mid to late round picks. Tampa got boned and traded a 1st for theirs.

We have several NHL ready players, they just aren't as good as Goodrow. So we get a better player this year and next while allowing those prospects to keep developing in the minors. We don't have to force them into a role they aren't ready for.

Those NHL ready prospects are an undrafted player, two 4th round picks and a few 2nd rounders. There are no 1st round picks in that group. So we aren't too upset trading back from a late 1st because we do well drafting and developing.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Honestly it's not as bad as it looks.

1st round pick should be around 26-31st
while the 3rd round pick is the 67th

Pretty sure it’s the Flyers 3rd so it’s closer to 80th.

 

[Oddbob]

Why did the give up 31st for this guy?

 

[Dr Quincy]

Why did the give up 31st for this guy?

Because they are trying to win.

Why did DET once trade a 1st for a guy they'd previously waived?

 

[Oddbob]

Because they are trying to win.

Why did DET once trade a 1st for a guy they'd previously waived?

Did I say the Quincey trade was good or something? Trading a 1st for a 4th liner is still bad, even if trying to win!

 

[RantanenRavin]

Why did the give up 31st for this guy?

Bait and switch?

 

[themelkman]

I thought hes looked pretty good for tampa. He is the kind of guy you absolutely want in the bottom six, and came with a tiny price tag.

 

[KevinRedkey]

HFboards is concerned with trade value.
Tampa Bay is concerned with winning the cup.

Goodrow has been a solid bottom 6 addition at a sustainable cap hit. How many low 1sts don't even become as good as Goodrow? a good number and Tampa wants to win now, not later.

 

[bleedgreen]

This was a good trade all day. Cup contending teams round out their rosters by trading youth and picks. He’ll be part of the team moving forward because of the contract too.

I get that this is hockey’s future so we really love picks and prospects but winning the cup is the point. Every team in the league would make this trade if they thought it made the difference, even if they weren’t going to keep him....which they are.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

Rare case of a good trade for both teams. Tampa paid a steep price, but due to their cap situation, there aren’t many guys they realistically could’ve gotten and when you have limited options, you have to pay more.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

HFboards is concerned with trade value.
Tampa Bay is concerned with winning the cup.

Goodrow has been a solid bottom 6 addition at a sustainable cap hit. How many low 1sts don't even become as good as Goodrow? a good number and Tampa wants to win now, not later.

Honestly if people just watched the TB-BOS series more they'd see that grabbing him has been completely a net benefit, though a bit expensive.

 

[BLNY]

Honestly if people just watched the TB-BOS series more they'd see that grabbing him has been completely a net benefit, though a bit expensive.

Yep. They needed the sandpaper.

 

[Aoko]

This is becoming a bargain for Tampa.

Will be a steal if he helps contribute to a cup.

HFboards is concerned with trade value.
Tampa Bay is concerned with winning the cup.

Goodrow has been a solid bottom 6 addition at a sustainable cap hit. How many low 1sts don't even become as good as Goodrow? a good number and Tampa wants to win now, not later.

This site in particular is obsessed with first round picks, like they're all going to be the next Barzal.

99% of them won't be, but I guess they can continue with their delusions.

 

[n8]

Why did the give up 31st for this guy?

Honestly it's not as bad as it looks.

1st round pick should be around 26-31st
while the 3rd round pick is the 67th

How about San Jose traded him to move up 30 spots in the draft? And Tampa Bay thought 30 spots was worth a quality bottom 6 player?

 

[llamateizer]

How about San Jose traded him to move up 30 spots in the draft? And Tampa Bay thought 30 spots was worth a quality bottom 6 player?

Seeing them at the conference finals confirms that yeah it's worth it

 

[Oddbob]

HFboards is concerned with trade value.
Tampa Bay is concerned with winning the cup.

Goodrow has been a solid bottom 6 addition at a sustainable cap hit. How many low 1sts don't even become as good as Goodrow? a good number and Tampa wants to win now, not later.

The price for Goodrow should be about a 3rd round pick, not much more if any! Also, they don't win or lose the Cup because of just him anyhow.

 

[Oddbob]

Seeing them at the conference finals confirms that yeah it's worth it

Yes, cause he was the reason or difference in making it.