Confirmed Trade: [TBL/SJS] Barclay Goodrow, 2020 3rd round pick for Anthony Greco, 2020 1st round pick

[Pinkfloyd]

The difference between a really late 1st and an early 3rd round pick isn't that much, don't know why people are still acting like this is an awful trade

The 3rd round pick Tampa got won't be an early 3rd round pick. It's Philly's 3rd which will be middle to late.

 

[Byrddog]

Eh I'm critical of the deal but that's an overstatement. After pick ~35 in the draft, there isn't a whole lot of difference with draft position. Teams aren't operating off of the ISS list at that point.

The same can be said with picks after 15. Im in the camp that 1st should have been used for a rental that could play up to the 1st line if needed. Lose Stammer, Kuch or Point and the playoffs end up like last season when they just phoned in during round 1. Coleman and Goodrow are nice in the bottom 6 but we have ample guys down there. even Stephens or Verhagee 5 to 7 minutes a night is not going to kill you in the playoffs.

 

[bov]

Goodrow is having a good season, that doesn't make him better than Maroon.

Right now Goodrow is as good or better in nearly every facet of the game. Maroon has more to give than what he has shown, but at this point in time I don't see how anyone could call him a better player. He's had a more successful career so far, but I'd much rather have Goodrow on the ice than Maroon.

 

[CupsOverCash]

This is rich coming from someone who just called
for me to be infracted...lol. You can't make this stuff up.

I'm not the one crying that someone didnt think my team was better than Boston in one of Boston threads...

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

This trade (and the Coleman one) make a lot more sense after BriseBois' press conference.

Basically they were looking for 2 forwards with grit and additional year in their contracts with good cap hits for next year when cap gets really rough.

Nothing surprising there, but the 2 forwards they identified were Coleman and Goodrow. With such specific needs and neither the Devils or the Sharks needing to trade either of those players, it was basically a situation the Bolts decided to force these teams hands to get the guys they wanted.

Hell of a price to pay for 2 two guys, but at the same time it's much more understandable considering how they targeted them and there weren't really any alternatives that fit the bill.

 

[CupsOverCash]

This trade (and the Coleman one) make a lot more sense after BriseBois' press conference.

Basically they were looking for 2 forwards with grit and additional year in their contracts with good cap hits for next year when cap gets really rough.

Nothing surprising there, but the 2 forwards they identified were Coleman and Goodrow. With such specific needs and neither the Devils or the Sharks needing to trade either of those players, it was basically a situation the Bolts decided to force these teams hands to get the guys they wanted.

Hell of a price to pay for 2 two guys, but at the same time it's much more understandable considering how much they wanted them.

I dont like the price but when you consider the needs it makes more sense. Tampa has been criticized endlessly about their size and cap structure. These moves help with both.

 

[ShaneinTpa]

The same can be said with picks after 15. Im in the camp that 1st should have been used for a rental that could play up to the 1st line if needed. Lose Stammer, Kuch or Point and the playoffs end up like last season when they just phoned in during round 1. Coleman and Goodrow are nice in the bottom 6 but we have ample guys down there. even Stephens or Verhagee 5 to 7 minutes a night is not going to kill you in the playoffs.

In theory I agree, but in practice there was not a rental worth having and certainly not at the expense of further complicating next year's cap issues facing TB

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

I dont like the price but when you consider the needs it makes more sense. Tampa has been criticized endlessly about their size and cap structure. These moves help with both.

Yeah, at some point gotta respect the staff that work with this team every day. If they feel this is what they needed to win then who am i to criticize.

 

[nbwingsfan]

The same can be said with picks after 15. Im in the camp that 1st should have been used for a rental that could play up to the 1st line if needed. Lose Stammer, Kuch or Point and the playoffs end up like last season when they just phoned in during round 1. Coleman and Goodrow are nice in the bottom 6 but we have ample guys down there. even Stephens or Verhagee 5 to 7 minutes a night is not going to kill you in the playoffs.

Pretty much how I see it too. If you needed a replacement on your 4th line so badly you HAD to give away a 1st for a new guy then your team probably didn’t deserve to win the Cup. One 4th line guy playing ~10min a game is not going to make or break your cup chances.

Obviously winning the Cup will make this deal irrelevant but doesn’t change that it’s a MASSIVE overpayment.

Cousins was had for a 4th.
Shore for a soon to be bust
Simmonds for a 5th
Ennis for a 5th
Grant for a 4th
Thompson for a 5th
Namestnikov for a 4th
Eakin for a 4th
Goodrow for a 1st

Anyone else notice one of these is out of place?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Anyone else notice one of these is out of place?

bUt ThE SAlaRy CaP!

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Tampa has been criticized endlessly about their size and cap structure. These moves help with both.

Now they'll just be criticized for throwing away 1sts for bottom 6-ers and handing out NTC's like they're going out of style lol

 

[The Macho King]

Pretty much how I see it too. If you needed a replacement on your 4th line so badly you HAD to give away a 1st for a new guy then your team probably didn’t deserve to win the Cup. One 4th line guy playing ~10min a game is not going to make or break your cup chances.

Obviously winning the Cup will make this deal irrelevant but doesn’t change that it’s a MASSIVE overpayment.

Cousins was had for a 4th.
Shore for a soon to be bust
Simmonds for a 5th
Ennis for a 5th
Grant for a 4th
Thompson for a 5th
Namestnikov for a 4th
Eakin for a 4th
Goodrow for a 1st

Anyone else notice one of these is out of place?

TBF Goodrow is better than every person above him on that list.

I love the arguments in here though, like anyone is claiming it wasn't an overpayment.

 

[nbwingsfan]

TBF Goodrow is better than every person above him on that list.

I love the arguments in here though, like anyone is claiming it wasn't an overpayment.

He might be moderately better than some listed above, which is debatable on its own, but absolutely no way is he worth the big discrepancy in picks between the average 4th line guy and what he received.

It’s just funny watching Tampa fans try and defend it when there is really nothing to defend. It’s Paul Gaustad for a 1st bad.

 

[The Macho King]

He might be moderately better than some listed above, which is debatable on its own, but absolutely no way is he worth the big discrepancy in picks between the average 4th line guy and what he received.

It’s just funny watching Tampa fans try and defend it when there is really nothing to defend. It’s Paul Gaustad for a 1st bad.

That strawman doesn't stand a chance against you bro.

 

[nbwingsfan]

That strawman doesn't stand a chance against you bro.

I’m not sure you know what strawman means

Please explain where I used that tactic?

 

[The Macho King]

I’m not sure you know what strawman means

Please explain where I used that tactic?

You're arguing against a point no one is making. That's a strawman brochacho.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I’m not sure you know what strawman means

Please explain where I used that tactic?

It's a misrepresentation to say this is Goodrow for a 1st. It's not. It's Goodrow and a 3rd for a 1st and he's likely to be a 3rd liner.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

TBF Goodrow is better than every person above him on that list.

That's.... debatable. He's close to all those players. Marginally better than a good portion. Yet none of them even got a 3rd back lol.

 

[nbwingsfan]

You're arguing against a point no one is making. That's a strawman brochacho.

What point is that? Read through the thread and you’ll see all kinds of Tampa fans saying it’s not an overpayment . Classic lines like “the 1st is basically a early second and the 3rd is basically a late second” so we barely dropped spots

It's a misrepresentation to say this is Goodrow for a 1st. It's not. It's Goodrow and a 3rd for a 1st and he's likely to be a 3rd liner.

Sorry Goodrow and a 3rd for a 1st... that somehow redeems it and makes it close? Interesting theory.

There’s been really no indication he’s a 3rd liner...

 

[Kranix]

The Lightning are shhhtacked, but why do I keep seeing certain Lightning fans penciling Coleman in as a centre. he's not going to play centre there. yes, Off topic

 

[themelkman]

Pretty much how I see it too. If you needed a replacement on your 4th line so badly you HAD to give away a 1st for a new guy then your team probably didn’t deserve to win the Cup. One 4th line guy playing ~10min a game is not going to make or break your cup chances.

Obviously winning the Cup will make this deal irrelevant but doesn’t change that it’s a MASSIVE overpayment.

Cousins was had for a 4th.
Shore for a soon to be bust
Simmonds for a 5th
Ennis for a 5th
Grant for a 4th
Thompson for a 5th
Namestnikov for a 4th
Eakin for a 4th
Goodrow for a 1st

Anyone else notice one of these is out of place?

One of these is a lot better, not a rental, and younger

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Sorry Goodrow and a 3rd for a 1st... that somehow redeems it and makes it close? Interesting theory.

There’s been really no indication he’s a 3rd liner...

I didn't say it redeems it or makes it close but it's kind of an important detail to leave out which was likely the intention. The implication of a 1st for Goodrow is a lot different than the implication of a 1st for Goodrow and a 3rd. Moving back two rounds for a 3rd liner is not nearly as bad as trading a 1st rounder for a 3rd liner.

And yeah, there absolutely has been indication that he's a 3rd liner. He's played like one this season. Take it from the many who have watched him this season and will undoubtedly say so.

 

[nbwingsfan]

One of these is a lot better, not a rental, and younger

A lot better? You mean the guy with a career high 17pts before given extra ice time he doesn’t deserve because SJ had so many injuries and still didn’t produce any better, or worse, than Ennis, Grant, Namestnikov, Cousins or Eakins?

He’s also 27 so the age part is really irrelevant... it’s not like he’s some young guy with untapped potential.

 

[The Macho King]

The Lightning are shhhtacked, but why do I keep seeing certain Lightning fans penciling Coleman in as a centre. he's not going to play centre there. yes, Off topic

I think he *can* play Center, but yeah - he's not even lining up as a C now.

 

[CupsOverCash]

What point is that? Read through the thread and you’ll see all kinds of Tampa fans saying it’s not an overpayment . Classic lines like “the 1st is basically a early second and the 3rd is basically a late second” so we barely dropped spots



Sorry Goodrow and a 3rd for a 1st... that somehow redeems it and makes it close? Interesting theory.

There’s been really no indication he’s a 3rd liner...

You make it sound like tampa fans are drooling over these trades. Maybe they are just looking at the bright positive sides of this trade. I dont see any tampa fans happy they gave up their first round draft picks but they are now trying to see what is good about this deal which there is some to like. I dont see the issue with that.