Injury Report: Tavares out minimum two weeks.

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Kane and Toews played together 70% of the time in the playoffs (5v5) on their first cup run, 40% during their second cup run and 20% on their third cup run.

But isn't it just better to lie so we can defend Babcock?

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Yep, time to go deep into the depth chart... Jason Spezza lol. Great job Kyle!

Ya know what most teams who lose a number 1 center to injury don't have? Another one. What is it with you people?

 

[Ratboy]

Kerfoot on the 2nd line. Spezza on the 3rd. Shore on the 4th.

 

[Trapper]

But isn't it just better to lie so we can defend Babcock?

I don’t understand how Bergeron/Marchand can play with Pastrnak, Stamkos can play with Kuch/Point and McDavid can play with Draisaitl but Matthews can’t play with Marner?

What are we paying these guys for?
If a line of Matthews/Marner can’t carry the team for 2 weeks, you just wasted a ton of money.

 

[ToneDog]

I don’t understand how Bergeron/Marchand can play with Pastrnak, Stamkos can play with Kuch/Point and McDavid can play with Draisaitl but Matthews can’t play with Marner?

What are we paying these guys for?
If a line of Matthews/Marner can’t carry the team for 2 weeks, you just wasted a ton of money.

What message are you sending Nylander if you flip him with Marner ?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

What message are you sending Nylander if you flip him with Marner ?

That they trust him at center

 

[BigGulpsEh]

What message are you sending Nylander if you flip him with Marner ?

If Nylander plays as 2C then you wouldn’t be flipping them. You’d be giving Nylander more responsibility and a chance to drive a line.

 

[Trapper]

What message are you sending Nylander if you flip him with Marner ?

Others have said it below. Own your line and we believe in you as center over Mitch and Kerfoot.

 

[biotk]

But isn't it just better to lie so we can defend Babcock?

Of course.

Just to put the numbers out there - During the Leafs' 3 playoffs series over the last year Matthews has played with Marner 7.5% of the time at 5v5.

Also, while Babcock has long pushed his "only one puck" narrative as to why you couldn't play Datsyuk and Zetterberg together, for Babcock's sole Cup win Datsyuk played 79.8% of his 5v5 minutes with Zetterberg during that playoff run (and also more than 70% of the time with Lidstrom and Rafalski - all those guys must have been so frustrated with only one puck on the ice). After that Babcock learned his lesson and over the rest of career Datsyuk played with Zetterberg only 33% of the time at 5v5.

Now in saying that I am not saying that Matthews and Marner should play together. I feel that their styles might just not work together, but I I don't know and it hasn't really been tried.

 

[ToneDog]

That they trust him at center

If Nylander plays as 2C then you wouldn’t be flipping them. You’d be giving Nylander more responsibility and a chance to drive a line.

Others have said it below. Own your line and we believe in you as center over Mitch and Kerfoot.

I was proposing Nylander playing #2RW with Kerfoot at C. Agreed that if you put Willie at #2C, it would be a positive message.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Of course.

Just to put the numbers out there - During the Leafs' 3 playoffs series over the last year Matthews has played with Marner 7.5% of the time at 5v5.

Also, while Babcock has long pushed his "only one puck" narrative as to why you couldn't play Datsyuk and Zetterberg together, for Babcock's sole Cup win Datsyuk played 79.8% of his 5v5 minutes with Zetterberg during that playoff run. After that Babcock learned his lesson and over the rest of career Datsyuk played with Zetterberg only 33% of the time at 5v5.

Now in saying that I am not saying that Matthews and Marner should play together. I feel that their styles might just not work together, but I I don't know and it hasn't really been tried.

Yeah I just think that's something that should be attempted, especially in the regular season. I really like that Nick Nurse tried a lot of different things during the year so he'd have a better idea of what he could do in the playoffs and what changes he could make.

Babcock's fatal flaw is he doesn't know anything but his way and he can't make smart adjustments, and you see that in so many different ways. When the playoffs roll around again, Babcock will not know anything about how Marner and Matthews play together and he won't feel comfortable making that adjustment, among others. He'll continue to stick with what he knows and the other team will yet again catch on and beat him

 

[hockeywiz542]

Could the Leafs be in cap trouble if Tavares needs to go on IR? - Video - TSN

TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie joins Andi Petrillo, Darren Dreger and Dave Feschuk to explain if John Tavares’ injury, and the potential he could end up on injured reserve, could present a cap challenge for the Leafs.

 

[Al14]

Ya know what most teams who lose a number 1 center to injury don't have? Another one. What is it with you people?

Both of our number 1 centres have had visibility issues to start the season.

 

[hector morrison]

I don’t understand how Bergeron/Marchand can play with Pastrnak, Stamkos can play with Kuch/Point and McDavid can play with Draisaitl but Matthews can’t play with Marner?

What are we paying these guys for?
If a line of Matthews/Marner can’t carry the team for 2 weeks, you just wasted a ton of money.

One of lifes mysteries ,only the Babs knows why...and I suspect it isn't a real gud reason either.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Of course.

Just to put the numbers out there - During the Leafs' 3 playoffs series over the last year Matthews has played with Marner 7.5% of the time at 5v5.

Also, while Babcock has long pushed his "only one puck" narrative as to why you couldn't play Datsyuk and Zetterberg together, for Babcock's sole Cup win Datsyuk played 79.8% of his 5v5 minutes with Zetterberg during that playoff run (and also more than 70% of the time with Lidstrom and Rafalski - all those guys must have been so frustrated with only one puck on the ice). After that Babcock learned his lesson and over the rest of career Datsyuk played with Zetterberg only 33% of the time at 5v5.

Now in saying that I am not saying that Matthews and Marner should play together. I feel that their styles might just not work together, but I I don't know and it hasn't really been tried.

Yeah I just think that's something that should be attempted, especially in the regular season. I really like that Nick Nurse tried a lot of different things during the year so he'd have a better idea of what he could do in the playoffs and what changes he could make.

Babcock's fatal flaw is he doesn't know anything but his way and he can't make smart adjustments, and you see that in so many different ways. When the playoffs roll around again, Babcock will not know anything about how Marner and Matthews play together and he won't feel comfortable making that adjustment, among others. He'll continue to stick with what he knows and the other team will yet again catch on and beat him

One of lifes mysteries ,only the Babs knows why...and I suspect it isn't a real gud reason either.

I'm just so deep in Babcock Stockholm Syndrome I don't question it anymore. Why would the next best goal scorer in the league get paired with a top 5 playmaking winger? Why would it even be given an opportunity over a 3+ year timespan? Never crossed my mind these days.

Also those Detroit linemate stats are upsetting.

 

[hector morrison]

I'm just so deep in Babcock Stockholm Syndrome I don't question it anymore. Why would the next best goal scorer in the league get paired with a top 5 playmaking winger? Why would it even be given an opportunity over a 3+ year timespan? Never crossed my mind these days.

Also those Detroit linemate stats are upsetting.

Apparently,Babs wants to 'spread out' the scoring...OK ,I kinda get it...until you're losing.! Then ,I don't get it!

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Apparently,Babs wants to 'spread out' the scoring...OK ,I kinda get it...until you're losing.! Then ,I don't get it!

I don't mind it but he's had 3 years to give them a real look together and it's not like this team hasn't had rough patches. And look around the league were pretty much the only team doing this.

 

[hector morrison]

Of course.

Just to put the numbers out there - During the Leafs' 3 playoffs series over the last year Matthews has played with Marner 7.5% of the time at 5v5.

Also, while Babcock has long pushed his "only one puck" narrative as to why you couldn't play Datsyuk and Zetterberg together, for Babcock's sole Cup win Datsyuk played 79.8% of his 5v5 minutes with Zetterberg during that playoff run (and also more than 70% of the time with Lidstrom and Rafalski - all those guys must have been so frustrated with only one puck on the ice). After that Babcock learned his lesson and over the rest of career Datsyuk played with Zetterberg only 33% of the time at 5v5.

Now in saying that I am not saying that Matthews and Marner should play together. I feel that their styles might just not work together, but I I don't know and it hasn't really been tried.

i would gauranteeeee that Matthews/Marner would be prolific...Imagine another top winger on the other side to boot? But not in Babs world!

 

[hector morrison]

I don't mind it but he's had 3 years to give them a real look together and it's not like this team hasn't had rough patches. And look around the league were pretty much the only team doing this.

He must of bummed when they signed JT...what to do with all that talent...'how do I keep it all separated".

 

[Notsince67]

What message are you sending Nylander if you flip him with Marner ?

That he is the #2 RW on the team and likely the third best center. Did I miss something?

 

[ToneDog]

That he is the #2 RW on the team and likely the third best center. Did I miss something?

Sure that will go over well (flipping the two). Babs probably agrees by not doing it.

 

[Notsince67]

Sure that will go over well. Babs probably agrees by not doing it.

There is no shame to being behind AM and JT as a center and behind Marner as a rw.

 

[killer1980]

How are they "****ed"? They lost an elite #1 center and they still have an elite #1 center. How many teams can do that?

They are literally better off than just almost every other team in the league would be, in this situation.

Ya but they got no defense and my point was by loading up on the 4 top forwards they had no money left for a well rounded team that could absorb the loss of one of those top guys.

 

[killer1980]

Ya know what most teams who lose a number 1 center to injury don't have? Another one. What is it with you people?

So they still have a top center but no defense. Let's see how good that Marner line is now with zero defensive help.

 

[ToneDog]

There is no shame to being behind AM and JT as a center and behind Marner as a rw.

Correct (and Nylander knows where he stands) but what does it say to Nylander if now that JT is out, Marner replaces him on the Matthews line and he is moved to the second line to play with Kerfoot at C ? I know I would not be happy.