TSN: Suspended D Voynov signs in KHL

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...but they can get separated and still garner the absuser's wages.

People don't like to admit it or think about...but that's probably among the best possible realistic outcomes for the victims in these scenarios. It's real easy to say "yea, good! Glad that guy can't get a job in the league again!", but the unfortunate reality is that this often means significantly less monetary support for the victim.

Well first off she can still do that and take money from his KHL wages and I don't see how that should be relevant in any way to him being given a salary again. It makes zero sense at all. If she should be entitled to more money that shouldn't be in relation to the money he makes just award her a big sum right off the bat.

The much, much better outcome for her is getting out of an abusive relationship the amount of money she can get after that is so inconsequential it really doesn't matter at all.
 
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Just proves this guy can continue to earn a multi-million dollar paycheque and win an Olympic Gold Medal all while 'serving' his NHL suspension.

If I'm the NHL, he serves that suspension only while under contract.

I believe thats actually the rule - his suspension doesnt start until he signs a contract - but i didnt look in to the details enough to be sure.

Also, its an NHL suspension. the NHL cant govern what businesses in other countries do. What youre asking for is the NHL to become a court system, and thats just not ever going to the case.
 

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Is he playing in the NHL?

So he is not serving a « hockey » suspension but an « NHL » suspension. Which is what he should be.
So since he is currently not under contract he's technically serving 'nothing'.
 

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I can't recall his situation offhand. Was there a second incident he was arrested for?

I am for extending 2nd chances for most dumb things, especially for young, immature offenders, granted that the person isn't incarcerated.

Like, I don't get people sometimes... I hate our society

he didn't do a dumb things nor did he was Immature ? HE f***ING SHOVE HIS WIFE INTO A TV UNTIL SHE WAS NO LONGER
RECOGNIZABLE



there's a point in life where you think of your action before doing it, but sometimes you can't come back from this action because you acted on a thought that could have been stopped within any good individual ( good in a general perceived sense)

Now, tell me, if shoving your wife down a TV and break half her face an action that is "'dumb" and someone more "'mature" would not have done? Because in my book almost killing your wife ( not 1 or 2 punches, but a complete BEAT DOWN) is something you did before, thought about it and acted on it.


touching your wife or kid is not an error, it's an act you thought about and took action to do it.
 

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I bet nobody here knows full story but ready to throw this guy under the bus. I’m all for giving second chance. Besides, his wife is still with him and he served his time in prison and received other punishment.

Slava Voynov police report: argument details, choking, kicking alleged


When she rose, the report said, Voynov pushed her into the corner of a flat-screen television mounted on the wall, opening a gash above Varlamova's left eye. Varlamova said the couple's bedroom was "covered in her blood."

Varlamova told police that Voynov then kicked her five to six times while on the ground. She said she screamed for him to stop.

"The marks appeared to be consistent with her statement regarding the physical altercation that occurred," the report said.


what more do you want ? her to make a live facebook video after she almost died ?
 

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So since he is currently not under contract he's technically serving 'nothing'.
He can’t play in the NHL right now. I guess that is hard to understand.

His current suspension is not from a team but the league. Show me a player that is under contract with the league and your theory might get a little traction.
 

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Slava Voynov police report: argument details, choking, kicking alleged


When she rose, the report said, Voynov pushed her into the corner of a flat-screen television mounted on the wall, opening a gash above Varlamova's left eye. Varlamova said the couple's bedroom was "covered in her blood."

Varlamova told police that Voynov then kicked her five to six times while on the ground. She said she screamed for him to stop.

"The marks appeared to be consistent with her statement regarding the physical altercation that occurred," the report said.


what more do you want ? her to make a live facebook video after she almost died ?
Yeah if I recall, she said afterwards she was miss quoted or miss translated.

We can also see that Voynov did not trow her into the TV, like a lot have been saying.

But I don’t know the facts either, as probably everyone in this board.
 

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He can’t play in the NHL right now. I guess that is hard to understand.

His current suspension is not from a team but the league. Show me a player that is under contract with the league and your theory might get a little traction.
What the hell are you talking about?

He's not a member of the league. So he's not 'serving' anything. I'm saying if the NHL wants to punish the player, the suspension should only be active when he's under contract with an NHL team, thus costing him potential income.

Pretty simple concept.
 

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Yeah if I recall, she said afterwards she was miss quoted or miss translated.

We can also see that Voynov did not trow her into the TV, like a lot have been saying.

But I don’t know the facts either, as probably everyone in this board.
"The marks appeared to be consistent with her statement regarding the physical altercation that occurred," the report said.

 

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Slava Voynov police report: argument details, choking, kicking alleged


When she rose, the report said, Voynov pushed her into the corner of a flat-screen television mounted on the wall, opening a gash above Varlamova's left eye. Varlamova said the couple's bedroom was "covered in her blood."

Varlamova told police that Voynov then kicked her five to six times while on the ground. She said she screamed for him to stop.

"The marks appeared to be consistent with her statement regarding the physical altercation that occurred," the report said.


what more do you want ? her to make a live facebook video after she almost died ?
And two years since the episode they get married and 9 month later his wife gave a birth to a baby. That’s what usually happens between offender and victim. Burn him now!!!
 
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And two years since the episode they get married and 9 month later his wife gave a birth to a baby. That’s what usually happens between offender and victim. Burn him now!!!
because the victim doesn't know any better nor does she know how to get out of this hell ? it takes a lot of help to get our of this vicious circle

you talk over your hat on situations you clearly are too young to understand. quite pathetic take on your part, hope you grow up and become a better human being.
 

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What the hell are you talking about?

He's not a member of the league. So he's not 'serving' anything. I'm saying if the NHL wants to punish the player, the suspension should only be active when he's under contract with an NHL team, thus costing him potential income.

Pretty simple concept.
Can he play in the NHL? No he can’t because the league said so, NOT because his team said so.
League said... you are suspended and must serve it BEFORE you can come back.

That is all I’m saying.

So he IS serving a suspension.

I do understand that in YOUR world, he would not be. But that’s not the current reality.
 

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And two years since the episode they get married and 9 month later his wife gave a birth to a baby. That’s what usually happens between offender and victim. Burn him now!!!

something something battered woman syndrome. something something "thats her meal ticket".

It's best to not rehash this conversation again - the people that view Voynov as a POS are set and arent changing their minds. They'll also refuse to acknowledge any possibility that he has been rehabilitated, and that they could have moved past it, etc.
 

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Can't come back to the NHL if he starts in the KHL.

Or, I guess he technically could but then he'd need to clear waivers before entering the league again (the same thing that happened to Nabokov). So no-one's gonna want to sign him.
I actually didn't know that about nabi. Good point about the overseas waivers. Khl hates us.
 

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something something battered woman syndrome. something something "thats her meal ticket".

It's best to not rehash this conversation again - the people that view Voynov as a POS are set and arent changing their minds. They'll also refuse to acknowledge any possibility that he has been rehabilitated, and that they could have moved past it, etc.
how can you rehabilitate from beating women or child, tell me ?

"oh I see this woman, I MUST CONTROL MY URGE TO HIT HER" it doesn't work this way, it can't be worked over, he's a trash human being with no empathy, probably sociopaths traits.


I have less than less empathy for trash beings who abused woman or child after thoughtful decision and still think to HIT THEM.
it's pretty easy in life, you don't hit women nor child, not complicated.


you acted on your thoughts of beating a loved one. you could have walked away, but no you chose to f***ing hit her until she bled and you got scared.


Pathetic and no excuse
 

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how can you rehabilitate from beating women or child, tell me ?

"oh I see this woman, I MUST CONTROL MY URGE TO HIT HER" it doesn't work this way, it can't be worked over, he's a trash human being with no empathy, probably sociopaths traits.


I have less than less empathy for trash beings who abused woman or child after thoughtful decision and still think to HIT THEM.
it's pretty easy in life, you don't hit women nor child, not complicated.


you acted on your thoughts of beating a loved one. you could have walked away, but no you chose to ****ing hit her until she bled and you got scared.


Pathetic and no excuse

Suppose youve never done anything in rage before?
 

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Suppose youve never done anything in rage before?

in rage, raging to a point of beating up my loved one ? no never, sorry. if you did I hope you stay away from women and children.

everyone has rages, it can come to violence, ya, but when it's to the point of hitting someone you love ( mostly kids and women) you deserve no sympathy and it's a point of no return. you even know it's a point of no return and still act of the decision.


you acted on those disgusting thoughts, it's pathetic and weak.
 

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how can you rehabilitate from beating women or child, tell me ?

"oh I see this woman, I MUST CONTROL MY URGE TO HIT HER" it doesn't work this way, it can't be worked over, he's a trash human being with no empathy, probably sociopaths traits.


I have less than less empathy for trash beings who abused woman or child after thoughtful decision and still think to HIT THEM.
it's pretty easy in life, you don't hit women nor child, not complicated.

Well, that's an over simplification of offender thinking.

He knows his actions were wrong (likely), he didn't have the coping mechanisms and self regulation to make better choices (likely)

Our decisions are based on our inner ability to process risk and reward for actions and the ability to gain resolution. In his mind, there was a problem that needed to be solved, of what we likely will never know. Sometimes it's just that people are angry, that's the problem they solved in their head.

Working with people who are abusers isn't teaching them not to hit people, it's teaching them how to process and regulate their emotions and how to identify problems and process decision making. It's addressing anger and addiction and helping them work through their trauma. It's slowing down their crisis thinking and giving them alternative choices to make.

If it's not complicated for you, congrats, you have coping mechanisms and the ability to handle yourself in stressful circumstances. I get you will never feel empathy for those people, there's probably no benefit in you feeling it, but your way of understanding it is based in inherent flaw.
 
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