Post-Game Talk: Super Bowl LVII - Kansas City wins Super Bowl LVII

[KrejciMVP]

The Jags have had one winning season since 2007, so sure, right now no one cares, because Trevor Lawrence looks like he might be able to play. But I'm sure the fans cared a lot when they had to suffer through 15 years of 3 and 4 win seasons

how many years do the Pats suffer till an elite QB can be found?

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

how many years do the Pats suffer till an elite QB can be found?

The Pats and Jags were 1 game apart, with the Jags getting 4 gift games against Indy and Houston. If 1 is suffering, then you have to say both are

 

[EverettMike]

The Pats and Jags were 1 game apart, with the Jags getting 4 gift games against Indy and Houston. If 1 is suffering, then you have to say both are

They only got four gift games? Pats had way more than that.

 

[McGarnagle]

Seriously, the Jags' schedule rotation this year had them facing the NFC East with the 3 playoff teams and the AFC West with 2 playoff teams (including the Superbowl champs). They had a much tougher road than the Pats did.

 

[DangleCity]

how many years do the Pats suffer till an elite QB can be found?

I don't know, but I'm certainly not trying to tank for a half decade to find out

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Seriously, the Jags' schedule rotation this year had them facing the NFC East with the 3 playoff teams and the AFC West with 2 playoff teams (including the Superbowl champs). They had a much tougher road than the Pats did.

Except they didnt.

Pats had the 3rd toughest (by opponent win %), the Jags were 23rd

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Or using other sites that look at home/away, etc to develop a score. They were 8th, Jacksonville was 20th

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Or 11th vs 30th using this site's formula

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[KrejciMVP]

I don't know, but I'm certainly not trying to tank for a half decade to find out

bc being .500 every year is a better way to get an elite QB. Winning the lottery with Brady happens once a lifetime so that's not really an option

 

[DangleCity]

bc being .500 every year is a better way to get an elite QB. Winning the lottery with Brady happens once a lifetime so that's not really an option

You can do both. You can compete and draft well. Not every elite QB was a top pick, and not every top pick at QB was elite.

There is no right way to go about finding a franchise QB

 

[KrejciMVP]

You can do both. You can compete and draft well. Not every elite QB was a top pick, and not every top pick at QB was elite.

There is no right way to go about finding a franchise QB

going into year 4 post brady there is still no sign the Pats have QB who can take them far. The draft and develop model has failed under Bill. If they had a tank year post Brady they would have been in the running for Lawrence and this year they'd be in his year 3 probably favored in the divsion like the Jags are now

 

[LSCII]

going into year 4 post brady there is still no sign the Pats have QB who can take them far. The draft and develop model has failed under Bill. If they had a tank year post Brady they would have been in the running for Lawrence and this year they'd be in year 3 probably favored in the divsion.

I'd say it's worse than that because they don't have a clear cut elite QB and there are many many questions about this coaching staffs decision making abilities to boot. Since Brady left it's mainly been a "let's throw as much shit at the wall and see what sticks" kind of approach. Very disorganized, very disjointed, and very unprofessional.

 

[KrejciMVP]

I'd say it's worse than that because they don't have a clear cut elite QB and there are many many questions about this coaching staffs decision making abilities to boot. Since Brady left it's mainly been a "let's throw as much shit at the wall and see what sticks" kind of approach. Very disorganized, very disjointed, and very unprofessional.

now that Tampa is without the GOAT I bet they bottom out this year and snag a QB in the draft, it's their turn in that cycle.

 

[LSCII]

now that Tampa is without the GOAT I bet they bottom out this year and snag a QB in the draft, it's their turn in that cycle.

Unless they go the band aid route and bring in a retread like Carr or someone of that ilk. But they shouldn't since that typically never works out well and just delays the inevitable.

 

[DangleCity]

going into year 4 post brady there is still no sign the Pats have QB who can take them far. The draft and develop model has failed under Bill. If they had a tank year post Brady they would have been in the running for Lawrence and this year they'd be in his year 3 probably favored in the divsion like the Jags are now

Or they tank and end up with Zach Wilson. It's pretty easy to sit and play revisionist history and go back and say they should have done this or should have done that.

This year will probably be make or break for Mac to see if he can be a QB to build around.

 

[KrejciMVP]

Or they tank and end up with Zach Wilson. It's pretty easy to sit and play revisionist history and go back and say they should have done this or should have done that.

This year will probably be make or break for Mac to see if he can be a QB to build around.

well I've seen enough of Mac but I'm sure another bout with mediocrity is in store for us.

 

[LSCII]

Or they tank and end up with Zach Wilson. It's pretty easy to sit and play revisionist history and go back and say they should have done this or should have done that.

This year will probably be make or break for Mac to see if he can be a QB to build around.

There's a couple of actual flaws with the tank plan that you're ignoring too. First off, Bill is chasing Shula and he's not considering a tank. He's putting his own individual goals above the team, which seems to be a trend in the last 5 seasons, while before it was team first. With his steadfast refusal to do a tank, he's actually setting the team further back because tanking for a high draft pick impacts one season, while ripping off two 7-9 seasons in two of the last 3 years is worse than a tank because the draft pick is middling and not high enough to get a true impact player unless they got lucky. Which they have not.

Second off, even if they did a tank and got the top pick in the draft, Bill views QBs as a dime a dozen. He's always claimed he can win with a middle of the pack type of game manager, so him using high end draft capital on a guy like Lawrence probably wouldn't have been in his plans even if he had that pick at that time. Again, this is him putting his own goals ahead of the team, and just another glaring example of why he's creating quite a lot of the problems and issues the team has on his own. Just like not calling around to maximize the trade for Jimmy G back in the day, forcing Brady out because he wouldn't commit to a 2 year below market value deal, thinking Cam Newton was a good call, having his son run the defense, putting Patricia and Judge in charge of the offense, reaching for every pick they made in last year's draft, etc.

It goes on and on, but it all stems from Bill and his stubbornness.

 

[DangleCity]

well I've seen enough of Mac but I'm sure another bout with mediocrity is in store for us.

Nothing is stopping them from drafting another QB.

 

[DangleCity]

There's a couple of actual flaws with the tank plan that you're ignoring too. First off, Bill is chasing Shula and he's not considering a tank. He's putting his own individual goals above the team, which seems to be a trend in the last 5 seasons, while before it was team first. With his steadfast refusal to do a tank, he's actually setting the team further back because tanking for a high draft pick impacts one season, while ripping off two 7-9 seasons in two of the last 3 years is worse than a tank because the draft pick is middling and not high enough to get a true impact player unless they got lucky. Which they have not.

Second off, even if they did a tank and got the top pick in the draft, Bill views QBs as a dime a dozen. He's always claimed he can win with a middle of the pack type of game manager, so him using high end draft capital on a guy like Lawrence probably wouldn't have been in his plans even if he had that pick at that time. Again, this is him putting his own goals ahead of the team, and just another glaring example of why he's creating quite a lot of the problems and issues the team has on his own. Just like not calling around to maximize the trade for Jimmy G back in the day, forcing Brady out because he wouldn't commit to a 2 year below market value deal, thinking Cam Newton was a good call, having his son run the defense, putting Patricia and Judge in charge of the offense, reaching for every pick they made in last year's draft, etc.

It goes on and on, but it all stems from Bill and his stubbornness.

The issue is that a one year tank rarely ever works. Prolonged tanking over several years or a decade usually works out to some degree, just due to sheer probability. If you draft enough QBs you will eventually hit. Took the Bills 25 years but they finally found their Jim Kelly replacement. Jets are still looking for theirs despite years of top QB picks.

 

[GatorMike]

well I've seen enough of Mac but I'm sure another bout with mediocrity is in store for us.

I'd like to see him with a real offensive coordinator and some real playmakers at the WR position before I pass final judgement.

 

[KrejciMVP]

The issue is that a one year tank rarely ever works. Prolonged tanking over several years or a decade usually works out to some degree, just due to sheer probability. If you draft enough QBs you will eventually hit. Took the Bills 25 years but they finally found their Jim Kelly replacement. Jets are still looking for theirs despite years of top QB picks.

what do prolonged 7-9 seasons achieve?

I'd like to see him with a real offensive coordinator and some real playmakers at the WR position before I pass final judgement.

perhaps a stacked team like SF he could game manage but his lack of arm strength will prevent him from ever being a top QB IMO

 

[Therick67]

Tanking doesn't guarantee a thing..

 

[KrejciMVP]

Tanking doesn't guarantee a thing..

except a top pick, sure it could be a bust but could also be a HOF players

 

[Therick67]

except a top pick, sure it could be a bust but could also be a HOF players

or it could be somewhere in the middle, a really good player but not the franchise player you expected.

Maybe the owner doesn't want to go that route either and it's not just Bill. Bob isn't getting any younger..

 

[KrejciMVP]

or it could be somewhere in the middle, a really good player but not the franchise player you expected.

Maybe the owner doesn't want to go that route either and it's not just Bill. Bob isn't getting any younger..

of course a pick could always not work out, is that justification enough to never go that route. Post Brady nothing has worked for Bill being middle of the road, how many more seasons do you need to see of that

 

[Therick67]

of course a pick could always not work out, is that justification enough to never go that route. Post Brady nothing has worked for Bill being middle of the road, how many more seasons do you need to see of that

It's been 3 years. Did fans really expect to go from one dynasty to another? I saw this team suck for a lot of years and never get the right guy..

 

[KrejciMVP]

It's been 3 years. Did fans really expect to go from one dynasty to another? I saw this team suck for a lot of years and never get the right guy..

3 years can't turn into 6 year and they'll be in the same situation. Would you prefer that or take a chance at grabbing a top QB in the draft to change their fortunes. How many more years of failure would you like to see