Transfer: Summer Transfer Thread Part 4

[Blender]

50m would still be a great price for Camavinga

Yes, I'd take him instantly at Chelsea for 50m.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I do believe that Manchester United have done their home work and convinced Camavinga with high wages but I am not convinced that Rennes will settle for only 30M. They would possibly require more add-in. That's why I sense a bit of urgency from Manchester United as they don't want other bidders in. As for PSG, they should already have him locked in... I am not sure what they are doing.... I mean every single premier league club should be all over that fee of 30M. He is top 3 midfielder u20 and he would probably be worth 3 times that fee in 2 or 3 years.

 

[Chimaera]

PSG are likely letting United set the market, and then deciding between him and some other options. If United do all the hard work, settle on a deal for 50, they could still offer more wages or a similar package and potentially trump any desire to move abroad.

 

[bluesfan94]

If that's the price PSG should be all over it. Actually, it doesn't matter the price. Why PSG has not signed him yet?

If that’s the price everyone should be all over it.

 

[Chimaera]

As for Liverpool and FSG, I think they’re working on some things, but right now, need to clear out some bit parts before they go get something.

There’s money, but much of it needs to be offset by out going players if they’re going to get a top player. At least Wilson / Grujic and likely another need to be moved before they buy.

 

[hatterson]

I do believe that Manchester United have done their home work and convinced Camavinga with high wages but I am not convinced that Rennes will settle for only 30M. They would possibly require more add-in. That's why I sense a bit of urgency from Manchester United as they don't want other bidders in. As for PSG, they should already have him locked in... I am not sure what they are doing.... I mean every single premier league club should be all over that fee of 30M. He is top 3 midfielder u20 and he would probably be worth 3 times that fee in 2 or 3 years.

Based on how he’s played and his age, if he had 3 years on his contract instead of 1, Rennes could likely get 80-100m for him this summer.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

There’s money, but much of it needs to be offset by out going players if they’re going to get a top player. At least Wilson / Grujic and likely another need to be moved before they buy.

That is exactly the problem. They want to sell before buying and are looking for the bargains... they expect the price to drop near the deadline. They are not looking at talent or spending money, they want 'value'.

If they wanted talent they would have gone on Sancho and would look at Camavinga too.

I do expect LFC to get a bargain near the deadline probably from a poor club that need money but they have low ambitions in their target.

 

[HoseEmDown]

As for Liverpool and FSG, I think they’re working on some things, but right now, need to clear out some bit parts before they go get something.

There’s money, but much of it needs to be offset by out going players if they’re going to get a top player. At least Wilson / Grujic and likely another need to be moved before they buy.

What's the price on Wilson? Not sure why a Burnley isn't looking at him if it's 10-12M range. Huge upgrade on Gudmundsson on the right, add a lot of goal threat as well. Him and McNeil on the wings feeding Wood should get them enough goals for safety. Burnley could use an upgrade at CM as well so Grujic would probably be another good choice but doesn't seem like a Burnley type. But Burnley does need to get a few guys in and preferably 25 and under.

 

[Chimaera]

Based on how he’s played and his age, if he had 3 years on his contract instead of 1, Rennes could likely get 80-100m for him this summer.

I think if PSG or Chelsea get heavily involved, they likely still could get close with escalators and sell on stuff.

 

[Chimaera]

What's the price on Wilson? Not sure why a Burnley isn't looking at him if it's 10-12M range. Huge upgrade on Gudmundsson on the right, add a lot of goal threat as well. Him and McNeil on the wings feeding Wood should get them enough goals for safety. Burnley could use an upgrade at CM as well so Grujic would probably be another good choice but doesn't seem like a Burnley type. But Burnley does need to get a few guys in and preferably 25 and under.

I think both are in the 10-15 range. I think they’d like to move Grujic to Porto and save on a midfielder there. But who knows. I think with Wilson still on holiday (both are I think) that could be some of the holdup. A number of clubs are in similar situations of needing to move players first. There’s money, but it also has to be freed up in the budget

 

[Chimaera]

That is exactly the problem. They want to sell before buying and are looking for the bargains... they expect the price to drop near the deadline. They are not looking at talent or spending money, they want 'value'.

If they wanted talent they would have gone on Sancho and would look at Camavinga too.

I do expect LFC to get a bargain near the deadline probably from a poor club that need money but they have low ambitions in their target.

They’ve been clear across the board that this was always going to be the way they operate. I did think there might be some motivation to do a “hey we f***ed the bed with the Super League, here’s a stud to get people over it”. But I think that storm is weathered

I think they needed to think about a big refresh up front, but I think the manager thinks this past year was anomaly, and with Jota fully integrated, they can get back to their normal heights. They were never going in for a top player like Sancho without one of Mane or Salah moving (and I honestly think they feel Jota is better dollar for dollar value than the expense on Sancho)

 

[Chimaera]

Note, I think anyone in the EPL buying Liverpool castoffs is crazy. Sure, Ings has worked out (though I think Liverpool would have liked to keep him). But the list of guys Liverpool has moved on who have done a big fat zilch is lengthy. I know a lot of the teams buying players think they’re smarter than the average fellow, and that’s why they keep rolling the dice, but they’re going to end up burned. Between Edwards and Klopp, they’re not in the business of letting players who are good leave, and they seem to get way more than value.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Pjanic is absolutely in the shop window and apparently willing to leave. Rumor the club would even let him go for nothing.

Has he been that bad? Or is he just stuck behind FDJ and Busi?

 

[les Habs]

Has he been that bad? Or is he just stuck behind FDJ and Busi?

Both, and they're trying to trim the wage bill. Happy to see him go and we should have never signed him in the first place.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Note, I think anyone in the EPL buying Liverpool castoffs is crazy. Sure, Ings has worked out (though I think Liverpool would have liked to keep him). But the list of guys Liverpool has moved on who have done a big fat zilch is lengthy. I know a lot of the teams buying players think they’re smarter than the average fellow, and that’s why they keep rolling the dice, but they’re going to end up burned. Between Edwards and Klopp, they’re not in the business of letting players who are good leave, and they seem to get way more than value.

I do think Shaqiri is a nice option for a team that need high quality set-pieces and I would also be all over Nat Phillips if I was lower level premier league team but yes Origi, Minamino, Wilson I would stay clear.

I also believe Grujic is way underrated. He is not a world class talent but with his physicality and technical skills he could succeed in the premier league.

 

[Evilo]

OM want to replace Benedetto with Simeone.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

They’ve been clear across the board that this was always going to be the way they operate. I did think there might be some motivation to do a “hey we f***ed the bed with the Super League, here’s a stud to get people over it”. But I think that storm is weathered)

That is basically what United are doing. Let's get our target first and let worries about our cast off later.

I mean if LFC are satisfied with the performance of last year then I expect a catastrophic fall back to reality next year. Firmino and Mane forms are HUGE concerns and the midfield is getting older and slower. The only huge significant plus is the centerback position.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

My last point.

I expect LFC to wake up at some point.. possibly next summer when they realize that oh shit, Chelsea, Arsenal, United have developed a young core of talent while we only focused on motivating our older players for another push... and then invest in younger talent but that would probably be too late.

 

[Gecklund]

Mandanda
Balerdi - Saliba - Caleta Car
Under - Gerson - Kamara - Guendouzi - Boga
Payet - Benedetto

Possible starting lineup if they get boga? Maybe Longoria will try to get Milik back. He is better than Benedetto.

Under and Boga as wing backs sounds like a recipe for disaster.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

 

[Evilo]

More like :

Mandanda
Rosier-DCC-Saliba-?
Gerson-Guendouzi
Under-Payet-Boga
-------Simeone---

Kamara solid, Balerdi on the bench.

 

[Evilo]

This is a good signing.
He's arguably the best crosser in Ligue 1.

 

[Vasilevskiy]

Has he been that bad? Or is he just stuck behind FDJ and Busi?

He has not played so we don't even know if he was good or bad

 

[cgf]

Antonis Aidonis is going out on loan to Dynamo Dresden (eww); while Adrian Fein seems set to join Greuther Fürth on a permanent transfer.

With Varane's departure seeming imminent, Real Madrid have started getting linked to Klostermann.

Inter Milan are getting linked to both Kostic & Brekalo.

Sounds like Leverkusen kicked the can on Salibi before turning their attention to Schlotterbeck.

 

[les Habs]

He has not played so we don't even know if he was good or bad

He played and when he did he wasn't good.