Speculation: Summer 2018 Roster Discussion Part V

[CanadienShark]

My ideal PP after thought:

Couture - Thornton - Pavelski
Burns - Karlsson

Kane - Hertl - Meier
Donskoi - Vlasic

That second forward unit would be heavy and hard to play against.

 

[Coily]

Any chance we can get Melker to become friends with Couture?

Just keep Erik away from him all year.

 

[Kegsey]

Having Karlsson is amazing but not icing Paul Martin or Dylan Demelo is such a huge bonus.

 

[WTFetus]

Dick's in Great Mall had authentic Nyquist jerseys for sale. Do they know something we don't?

 

[Juxtaposer]

Having Karlsson is amazing but not icing Paul Martin or Dylan Demelo is such a huge bonus.

Paul Martin was so awesome during the 2016 season and SCF run, which made his contract easily worth it and I would give him the same contract all over again even with the advantage of hindsight. But that blunder in Game 3 OT against Vegas makes it hard to remember that.

 

[Munnyro]

My ideal PP after thought:

Couture - Thornton - Pavelski
Burns - Karlsson

Kane - Hertl - Meier
Donskoi - Vlasic

That second forward unit would be heavy and hard to play against.

I'd rather have Lebanc on the 2nd unit somewhere.

 

[Mattb124]

I'd rather have Lebanc on the 2nd unit somewhere.

Yeah, no real QB on that second unit and Lebanc was a solid QB on the 1st last year.

 

[Doctor Soraluce]

We all know that Burns, Vlasic and Thornton can and do defend themselves. It’ll be nice to have Kane there to stove in the faces of anyone who touches any of our less salty players. Dillon has done an ok job, but he seems a little too nice.

Dillon does what he can. Frankly he's just not on the ice enough to be effective in that role and typically you don't want a D-man taking 5 min majors to protect people. Just not in the Sharks philosophy.

 

[Dicdonya]

My ideal PP after thought:

Couture - Thornton - Pavelski
Burns - Karlsson

Kane - Hertl - Meier
Donskoi - Vlasic

That second forward unit would be heavy and hard to play against.

I agree with the other posters above, Labanc cannot be left off the PP.

Since Kane sucks on the pp I would take him out, but since I doubt Deboer will do that, Labanc for Donskoi.

 

[CanadienShark]

I'd rather have Lebanc on the 2nd unit somewhere.

I thought about that. Maybe swap Labanc in for Donskoi.

I agree with the other posters above, Labanc cannot be left off the PP.

Since Kane sucks on the pp I would take him out, but since I doubt Deboer will do that, Labanc for Donskoi.

I won't argue there.

 

[do0glas]

Kane should be used kind of like marleau was. generate clean entries on the PP and look for shots, but otherwise move the puck around and kind of get out of the way until you're needed.

 

[Patty Ice]

I get the feeling that Kane is going to burst out and have an amazing season. I thought this before Karlsson...now with Karlsoon, I expect it to happen.

 

[Barrie22]

I get the feeling that Kane is going to burst out and have an amazing season. I thought this before Karlsson...now with Karlsoon, I expect it to happen.

Kane does scream the one sharks player that will take advantage of those stretch passes that karlsson loves to do.

 

[Kegsey]

Kane does scream the one sharks player that will take advantage of those stretch passes that karlsson loves to do.

And Hertl. He powers through defense carrying the puck on his own, can't wait to see Karlsson feeding him.

 

[Barrie22]

And Hertl. He powers through defense carrying the puck on his own, can't wait to see Karlsson feeding him.

Hertl seems to conseravtive offensively to leave the defensive zone early to make them possible.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Staal is an interesting case. I don’t think he is truly that elite #1C and he sucked in the playoffs but he is a goal scoring F3 who plays center which is exactly what we need.

Meier-Thornton-Pavelski
Hertl-Couture-LaBanc
Kane-Staal-Donskoi
Sorensen-Suomela-Goodrow

Pretty solid depth, just missing the true game breaker.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

Staal is an interesting case. I don’t think he is truly that elite #1C and he sucked in the playoffs but he is a goal scoring F3 who plays center which is exactly what we need.

Meier-Thornton-Pavelski
Hertl-Couture-LaBanc
Kane-Staal-Donskoi
Sorensen-Suomela-Goodrow

Pretty solid depth, just missing the true game breaker.

That would be an amazing forward group to trot out in front of the D we have. No need for a game changing forward when we have two on the blue line that will be out for 50 minutes a game.

 

[Sysreq]

I genuinely believe Nash signs with us on a sweet heart deal. He was grossly overpaid on that last contract, but he is still a good hockey player. The underlying metrics are all good, even if he isn’t the same goal scorer he once was. If we add him and a TDL rental (or maybe another long term acquisition), we could very realistically have one of the better forward groups in the league.

I would love to see something like this:

Kane - Jumbo - Pavelski
Nash - Couture - Zucc
Timo - Hertl - Donskoi
Sorenson - Sumo - Goodrow

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

I genuinely believe Nash signs with us on a sweet heart deal. He was grossly overpaid on that last contract, but he is still a good hockey player. The underlying metrics are all good, even if he isn’t the same goal scorer he once was. If we add him and a TDL rental (or maybe another long term acquisition), we could very realistically have one of the better forward groups in the league.

I would love to see something like this:

Kane - Jumbo - Pavelski
Nash - Couture - Zucc
Timo - Hertl - Donskoi
Sorenson - Sumo - Goodrow

I wouldn’t sign Nash just to bump LaBanc out of a spot. LaBanc is 22 and he’s probably the better player right now.

 

[DG93]

Staal is an interesting case. I don’t think he is truly that elite #1C and he sucked in the playoffs but he is a goal scoring F3 who plays center which is exactly what we need.

Meier-Thornton-Pavelski
Hertl-Couture-LaBanc
Kane-Staal-Donskoi
Sorensen-Suomela-Goodrow

Pretty solid depth, just missing the true game breaker.

I'd love Staal, but his value is probably inflated right now. What would the trade be there?

 

[boredatwork]

I think an underrated part of all these moves this summer is that the team removed weak possession forwards from the roster. I try to support anyone who plays for the Sharks, however, Boedker and Tierney both had a lot or warts. I was happy to see Boedker contribute toward the end of the year, but he is still one of the worst possession forwards in the league. Tierney was decent on the PK, but he was a black hole possession wise. He absolutely refused to shoot the puck and he's no Jumbo with his passes. I attribute most of his numbers to Meier and DW did an excellent job selling high on him.

Yeah, Braun had an awful year possession wise. I'm curious to see how he will do as a third-pair defenseman.

I love where the team is at for the future. Jumbo's career is winding down and now the Sharks have the ability to keep a competitive team and remain an attractive destination with Karlsson in the fold (hopefully for a long time). Giving the young guys a shot in camp and putting them on the roster will keep the Euro free agents coming. DW said himself that European FAs seek out SJ because there is always an opportunity. Moreover, Merkley looks like a stud and the upcoming forwards will be serviceable. What other GM has been able to accomplish all of this for his team without a full rebuild?

None of this guarantees a cup. But I prefer a team that could win it all to a team that sucks its way to a championship.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

I think an underrated part of all these moves this summer is that the team removed weak possession forwards from the roster. I try to support anyone who plays for the Sharks, however, Boedker and Tierney both had a lot or warts. I was happy to see Boedker contribute toward the end of the year, but he is still one of the worst possession forwards in the league. Tierney was decent on the PK, but he was a black hole possession wise. He absolutely refused to shoot the puck and he's no Jumbo with his passes. I attribute most of his numbers to Meier and DW did an excellent job selling high on him.

Yeah, Braun had an awful year possession wise. I'm curious to see how he will do as a third-pair defenseman.

I love where the team is at for the future. Jumbo's career is winding down and now the Sharks have the ability to keep a competitive team and remain an attractive destination with Karlsson in the fold (hopefully for a long time). Giving the young guys a shot in camp and putting them on the roster will keep the Euro free agents coming. DW said himself that European FAs seek out SJ because there is always an opportunity. Moreover, Merkley looks like a stud and the upcoming forwards will be serviceable. What other GM has been able to accomplish all of this for his team without a full rebuild?

None of this guarantees a cup. But I prefer a team that could win it all to a team that sucks its way to a championship.

Tierney P/60 with Timo: 1.53
Tierney CF% with Timo: 53.99%
Tierney FF% with Timo: 54.84%
Tierney GF% with Timo: 53.57%

Tierney P/60 without Timo: 1.18
Tierney CF% without Timo: 46.72%
Tierney FF% without Timo: 47.50%
Tierney GF% without Timo: 43.14%

Numbers are pretty self-explanatory, little baby Tierney needed big boy Timo with him to produce at a respectable rate and not to get caved in in terms of both possession and goals. Sad!

I'd love Staal, but his value is probably inflated right now. What would the trade be there?

I would imagine it would be a package of futures at the deadline; if Minnesota trades Staal at the deadline, it’s probably because they aren’t contending.

 

[Negatively Positive]

I could see Nash signing late in the season like Fisher did last year.

 

[Beethovens 10th]

@realDonaldTrump: Little baby Tierney needed big boy Timo with him to produce at a respectable rate and not to get caved in in terms of both possession and goals. Sad!

 

[Munnyro]

Yeah, Braun had an awful year possession wise. I'm curious to see how he will do as a third-pair defenseman.

That's a lot of $ to pay for someone on the 3rd pay.