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SerenityRick

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To me they are...of late. We have lost games in which we have had 2 goal leads on several occasions. I know that deep within each one of them lingers a champion and a solid player, but that player seems to not want to come to the surface. Last night's display was a prime example....twice they got a 2 goal lead to work with....and we all know what happened. They are not playing well at all....of late.

Last night was the first time all season long that the Bruins scored 4 goals without need of an empty netter. This was commonplace the last ~3 seasons. The fact that they have the record they do while only scoring a max of 3 goals in tight games (and plenty of come from behind wins) tells me their D isn't in dire need of upgrading.

I certainly don't mind an upgrade on D but the offense needs to be looked at first I think.

Not saying the recent rash of blown leads isn't troublesome.. it is. No doubt.
 

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DO NOT go big. Iginla was a unique situation where it was known that he wouldn't get full market price (even if he stayed true to the list he gave). Chia is a very calculating GM so I don't think he'll be a danger to make a reactionary move. Just fill out some depth. No need to make any rash decisions.
 

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Jagr would be my #1 priority. Him and krejci could be awsome. Then I'd try and trade for streit.
 

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Hold on a second.....

Terrible D?? Blowing lead after lead??? While losing that game to Montreal hurts painfully....I did actually watch what happened. It was typical Montreal throwing their hands in the air, having a puck get deflected in mid air and knocked "accidentally" over the glass. I thought "delay of game" had to be intenionally shooting it over to stop a rush. That turned into a 6 on 4 for almost 2 minutes in our zone.
Also...how often do you see 1 player start with one of our guys, and we retaliate a little... and "BOTH" guys sit for 2. Why Chara sat alone still baffles me.
We did come back from 2 down to Toronto the game before... didnt we?? and t he goal the Leafs got was what we shot off our own skates.
OUR DEFENSE IS FINE!!! Montreal wont get all those garbage calls in the Playoffs....I hope!! BUT FACTS ARE FACTS. Our 3rd and 4th lines haven't produced close to what they did last year. We have the $$$... we have the prospects.... something better get done to boost our PP... and to add depth to our D. Its as simple as that.
 

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Terrible D?? Blowing lead after lead??? While losing that game to Montreal hurts painfully....I did actually watch what happened. It was typical Montreal throwing their hands in the air, having a puck get deflected in mid air and knocked "accidentally" over the glass. I thought "delay of game" had to be intenionally shooting it over to stop a rush. That turned into a 6 on 4 for almost 2 minutes in our zone.
Also...how often do you see 1 player start with one of our guys, and we retaliate a little... and "BOTH" guys sit for 2. Why Chara sat alone still baffles me.
We did come back from 2 down to Toronto the game before... didnt we?? and t he goal the Leafs got was what we shot off our own skates.
OUR DEFENSE IS FINE!!! Montreal wont get all those garbage calls in the Playoffs....I hope!! BUT FACTS ARE FACTS. Our 3rd and 4th lines haven't produced close to what they did last year. We have the $$$... we have the prospects.... something better get done to boost our PP... and to add depth to our D. Its as simple as that.


That is all well and good, but what about next year and the year after that? With the cap going down, prospects are going to be more valuable than free agents.
I am not interested in mortgaging the future for one season. If we trade away our good prospects (Spooner, Koko ETC...) to try and win the cup this year, would would be damaging the chances for success in the near future.
This current team is not playing anywhere near well enough to win it all....so I find myself in the "not willing to part with prospects" column in this instance.
 

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I want to see big bruising players added at this point. I don't care who we add, we aren't going to outscore Pitts at this point. Let's shut 'em down instead. Bring on Clowe and Regher. Maybe for a little offence Jagr would be a nice to touch to add salt to the Penguin's eyes if we had him on our PP for the playoffs (I just don't think he's that interested in moving)

This team's slump wouldn't be as big of a panic in an 82 game season. Call me optimistic but Boston just might get hot at the right time here. We all know what the majority of the current roster is capable of.
 

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change for the sake of change is exactly what this team needs.

Short term, knee jerk reactions get you nowhere. Chia has to keep his head and not make a foolish deal. He'll be wiser and maybe faster on the trigger when this situation comes around again...and it will.
 

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from what I hear we might have interest in ryan whitney now... at least we are linked in the rumors anyhow... Edmonton is also taking offers for hemsky and it seems he might help the krecji line a bit. these two have been rumored here before... so seems possible they are targets and it seems certain they are available

we seem to be shopping peverly and rightfully so. he is a very expensive luxury to have on the fourth line. we also could afford to part with bartowski from the looks of it since he was rumored headed out for iginla.

so how about we do a deal based around these guys with one additional element. Edmonton wants to get rid of eric belenger. he is signed for next year too. we could compliance buy him out next year... use him for depth until Kelly is able to get healthy in the meantime.

and in exchange for doing this... we get Edmonton to eat around 1.75 mill of hemskys cap hit next year so that he wont cost us more than peverly would have.

we throw in a pick to help Edmonton feel ok about this.

they get an upgrade that is more useful to them on their third line... a kid dman ready to help now that would upgrade over potter... some sort of pick... and they make the belenger problem disappear. also peverly would help them a lot on faceoffs.. they currently suck on faceoffs.

we get a rw to play with krecji next year and the remainder of this year. Horton drops down to third line for the remainder of this year and probably plays with soderberg if soderberg does show up... should be a pretty decent third line especially if Kelly gets healthy and rounds it out.

our seguin/Bergeron/marchand line isn't broken.. so no need to tinker with it for now but the krecji line with Horton/lucic barely is a plus line. this line definitely needs tinkering... and our third line has been missing in action all season.

peverly is way too expensive unless he scores more for us... but he could help Edmonton with some winning experience.. so float this idea to them and see if they bite.

Teams can no longer "eat part of the salary" for players as per the collective bargaining agreement.
 

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I want Jagr and a serviceable D at this point.

MSL isn't happening.. and he's 37.. a great talent with stuff left in the tank, but I just don't see us trading with TB.
 

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peverly has a NTC where he can submit a 15 team list or something like that. Out of 15 teams or half the NHL, I somehow doubt Edmonton makes the list. Besides, Peverly is one of the most useful players around, he plays all forward positions, is good at faceoffs, kills penalties and can play point on the PP. He's tough to replace. He fills holes when players get injured.
 

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Whitney has been pretty bad this year and Streit would be a better PMD. One D-man not brought up is Smid who I think is a pretty underrated player stay at home blocking shots D man but he prob isnt what we are looking for
 

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Whitney has been pretty bad this year and Streit would be a better PMD. One D-man not brought up is Smid who I think is a pretty underrated player stay at home blocking shots D man but he prob isnt what we are looking for

whitney absolutely sucked until this past month... but maybe his ankle finally had time to recover? he is coming off a very serious injury... or maybe he just had his feelings hurt the first 1/2 of this year after having the A stripped from his chest and being demoted to third pair defense? whatever the problem... he has played much better recently. he has never been a strong defender in his career... his strength is his puck moving and he is moving the puck again in recent games.

I still wouldn't count on him as a top 4 guy and I wouldn't trade much to get him. he is certainly no savior imho

streit and smid are much much better options if either of them was affordable to pick up. I think both streit and smid would cost you at least a first round pick and probably something on top of that...

I mean they are both better than karberle was when we picked him up and look what that cost us.

from what I hear, the islanders want to resign streit and will probably pay him what he wants... smid is probably looking for more than the oilers want to pay to a defensive dman... but Edmonton might not be able to afford to deal away smid now for fear what message that sends to their fan base that views smid as their top guy.
 

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peverly has a NTC where he can submit a 15 team list or something like that. Out of 15 teams or half the NHL, I somehow doubt Edmonton makes the list. Besides, Peverly is one of the most useful players around, he plays all forward positions, is good at faceoffs, kills penalties and can play point on the PP. He's tough to replace. He fills holes when players get injured.

peverly does that correct... but he is also being paid over 3 mill a year and I hope you are not saying you want him in our top 6. If you look at how much money we have committed next year before we resign rask and even without resigning Horton you will see we are in a lot of cap trouble. Does it make any sense to be spending 6 mill on peverly/Kelly on the third line when we will unquestionably loose Horton and need to replace him with someone like soderberg or spooner or maybe peverly if the cap issue continues on unresolved?

I think maybe I heard james murphy being interviewed on either a Toronto or an Edmonton sports show mentioning that peverly is being shopped... and maybe I heard it from maclean or someone on hockey central too? I wish I could remember specifically, but a couple times In the past few days ive heard that peverly is being shopped.

useful players do get shopped sometimes too... cause useful players have value. you cant only shop crap and expect to get anything of value back.

remember that chiarelli is the guy that moved out mark stuart and blake wheeler to land peverly origionally at the deadline too. chiarelli made that move even though wheeler/stuart were useful players because he was trying to control the cap and was looking to fill a particular role on the team here. the deal was made with a view not only for that one playoff run but also for the next year too.

I wouldn't say that I personally expect peverly to be moved for a rental... cause that wouldn't make a lot of sense... but if peverly is a surplus third liner that we cant afford and we need a top 6 forward next year than peverly could easily make sense as being the guy flipped for the missing top 6 guy.

hemsky represents a potential top 6 guy to replace Horton. soderberg would slot in better as a third line guy until he proves himself...

a lineup next year that had seguin/Bergeron/marchand and hemsky/krecji/lucic as the top 2 lines and then a third line based around Kelly and one of spooner/soderberg and than someone else affordable starts to look like a lineup that has more potential to succeed than one that is missing hemsky and has peverly on the third line making over 3 million dollars.

I think that we will soon see boychucks name in a trade too cause he is another guy that is useful but is making too much money for the amount of useful that he actually delivers.

in fact... I personally would say Kelly/peverly/boychuck should all be moved if we can get back the right 2 guys to replace the 10 million cap room that could be cleared moving these guys out. A legit top 6 forward and a legit top 3 dman could be had for the same money and deliver more value to us.
 

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I've warmed up to the idea of Mark Streit, how keen is he on moving though?

I would figure he likes it in New York, considering how he signed a long term deal when they were a trash pile winning may not be his #1 priority.
 

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That is all well and good, but what about next year and the year after that? With the cap going down, prospects are going to be more valuable than free agents.
I am not interested in mortgaging the future for one season. If we trade away our good prospects (Spooner, Koko ETC...) to try and win the cup this year, would would be damaging the chances for success in the near future.
This current team is not playing anywhere near well enough to win it all....so I find myself in the "not willing to part with prospects" column in this instance.

LOL

Bergeron
Seguin
Marchand
Lucic
Krejci
Hamilton
Rask
Subban
Spooner
Knight
Khoko

I think the future is just fine. By trading "a prospect" or a pick and a prospect, you aren't even coming close to "mortgaging the future". You have at least 1, and possibly 2 picks in this draft who will produce better players than any current Bruins prospect. You'll have draft picks next year. You may get additional draft picks or prospects in future deals.

If people are so afraid of making a deal by dealing non-bluechip assets, then be happy settling for playoff disappointments.
 

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I think as long as we don't have Kelly, we shouldn't be shopping Peverly (unless who we get back is proven and definitely better than Peverly and meant to play on that 3rd line).

Peverly played really well with Lucic and Caron-that line looked fine in that game (probably Caron's best).

I am leery of Whitney unless he comes cheap (Bart would be fine IMO).

Hemsky might be a good fix for Krejci. Krejci desperately needs a winger who can hook up with him in his matrix like play and actually score.

I actually think this team desperately needs to replace Horton-as much as the third line has been a black hole, I think half the problem with the Krejci line is that they are dragging Horton along who even when he is trying seems to be a step of two behind.
 

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Jagr would be my #1 priority. Him and krejci could be awsome. Then I'd try and trade for streit.

Oh yeah I do think Jagr would be a good fit with Krejci. Jagr is one of those guys who just seems to score goals at will even though he is getting old for hockey.

I also wonder about Gagne-he has a scoring touch and would come cheap (he was cheap for the Flyers to acquire this time). He is kind of fragile though so not so sure.
 

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LOL

Bergeron
Seguin
Marchand
Lucic
Krejci
Hamilton
Rask
Subban
Spooner
Knight
Khoko


I think the future is just fine. By trading "a prospect" or a pick and a prospect, you aren't even coming close to "mortgaging the future". You have at least 1, and possibly 2 picks in this draft who will produce better players than any current Bruins prospect. You'll have draft picks next year. You may get additional draft picks or prospects in future deals.

If people are so afraid of making a deal by dealing non-bluechip assets, then be happy settling for playoff disappointments.

The bolded above are all considered blue-chip prospects (at least around here) and they will be targeted by other teams, so I do not think that you can include them to the list if you consider them trade bait.

"LOL".....seriously dude....what are you, like a 12 year old?
 
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TCL40

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Also, one thing about pick ups-I don't think we need to be looking for a forward or a d-man who is a PP specialist.

Our PP sucks and I think half the problem is the coaching. A PP specialist is just going to join the team and start sucking after exposure to our PP.

We need to get people who will help us score goals 5 on 5. The Bruins don't get enough PP's to worry about a PP specialist-especially if that specialist isn't so hot on defense.

EG I want a defenseman who is a good skater and good mostly on defense rather than some kind of poor on defense passing specialst (eg Kaberle and Corvo).

A better Aaron Johnson would make me far happier for right now than a Kaberle type.
 

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Is there a cliff notes version? Hemsky and Whitney for Peverly and Bartowski? Don't see why Edmonton does it, but if they do, sure sign me up. I'm one of the few that likes Whitney and Hemsky

Kind of afraid to lose Pevs. I know now that Bourque is gone, he`s pretty much whippin boy #1, well, not true, Pandalfo seems to be which is bizarre seeing as nothing should have been expected from him offensively and that`s exactly what he`s produced;)

I can see this system allowing a guy like Whitney to play a simple game, play with Vets he hasn`t played with since his Pitt days. Something is terribly wrong in Edmonton, and it`s been coaching for years. Both Renney and now Krueger are incapable of teaching defense.

Haven`t seen more than a handful of Oilers games this year and have no idea how Hemsky looks, always dangerous in years gone by but.....with Kelly out, regardless of Pevs struggles, I`m not confident up the middle if he were moved.

And even when/if Kelly returns, to expect him to be anywhere near game shape for a long time is unreasonable. If Chia moves Pevs, I have to assume it`s for another guy who not only can play center, but win faceoffs in the circle
 

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