Proposal: STL/ARI: Brayden Schenn for Ekman-Larsson

[simon IC]

I'd say Keller for Schenn, but I think the 7 year age gap is just too much. Maybe if we also included Goligoski and Dunn. Keller+Goligoski for Schenn+Dunn?

Pass on Goligoski. How about Schenn+Dunn for Keller+Chychrun?

 

[rt]

Pass on Goligoski. How about Schenn+Dunn for Keller+Chychrun?

Of the five players you mention in your post, I value Chychrun the most.

 

[simon IC]

Of the five players you mention in your post, I value Chychrun the most.

Well I guess that counter isn't going to fly, is it? That's okay, I didn't think it would.

 

[Bluesguru]

How is Schenn a gamer the guy has 8 goals in 50 playoff games

Okay, he isn’t a HOF player but he is currently a SC Champ. A guy that scores, hits and fights is a gamer to me, despite his trend of playoff struggles.

 

[BackhandToedrag]

Okay, he isn’t a HOF player but he is currently a SC Champ. A guy that scores, hits and fights is a gamer to me, despite his trend of playoff struggles.

I like him he's for sure a good player but gamer makes him seems like he has a big history of stepping up in big game and that's just not true with that said he was very good in the finals

 

[Yakupov64]

Even thou Keller is from St Louis, he is just an above average player, at this point not worth the money he is making. Also the Blues will have to pay for Jaden Schwartz and Robert Thomas next year. You can not pay everyone 6-8 million per year.

Well I would argue that Schwartz is a bigger gamble than keller is at this point. I'd rather risk overpaying keller than offering 5 or 6 million to Schwartz and take my chances. Keller is not only younger but I think IF there actually were any team where he could really shine, it's his hometown. Especially after coming off a cup win and maroon coming home and setting the bar. As gifted as Schwartz is, that's just a gamble I'd be willing to take but that's why I'm not a gm.

The whole point of all of this is to say I'd include Schwartz in a trade if you're really worried about having to pay him the following year. Why not, schenn and Schwartz for OEL and keller? Could that work?

 

[rt]

Well I would argue that Schwartz is a bigger gamble than keller is at this point. I'd rather risk overpaying keller than offering 5 or 6 million to Schwartz and take my chances. Keller is not only younger but I think IF there actually were any team where he could really shine, it's his hometown. Especially after coming off a cup win and maroon coming home and setting the bar. As gifted as Schwartz is, that's just a gamble I'd be willing to take but that's why I'm not a gm.

The whole point of all of this is to say I'd include Schwartz in a trade if you're really worried about having to pay him the following year. Why not, schenn and Schwartz for OEL and keller? Could that work?

Say whatever you want about overall fit or team need, OEL and Schenn have extremely similar trade value. Your proposal is that Arizona should trade Keller for a pending UFA?

 

[simon IC]

Well I would argue that Schwartz is a bigger gamble than keller is at this point. I'd rather risk overpaying keller than offering 5 or 6 million to Schwartz and take my chances. Keller is not only younger but I think IF there actually were any team where he could really shine, it's his hometown. Especially after coming off a cup win and maroon coming home and setting the bar. As gifted as Schwartz is, that's just a gamble I'd be willing to take but that's why I'm not a gm.

The whole point of all of this is to say I'd include Schwartz in a trade if you're really worried about having to pay him the following year. Why not, schenn and Schwartz for OEL and keller? Could that work?

We would lose an awful lot of grit in that scenario. And before the "grit doesn't matter in the new NHL" comments come in, grit was a big part in the Blues winning the Cup.

 

[simon IC]

Say whatever you want about overall fit or team need, OEL and Schenn have extremely similar trade value. Your proposal is that Arizona should trade Keller for a pending UFA?

Forget Keller. I'm not interested. (Some of my fellow Blues fans are going to roast me for that). I do admit, if, (it's a big if), Pietrangelo does not re-sign, then an OEL for Schenn swap does make sense from a perspective of team needs and contracts.

 

[Yakupov64]

Say whatever you want about overall fit or team need, OEL and Schenn have extremely similar trade value. Your proposal is that Arizona should trade Keller for a pending UFA?

No. There can be plenty more to add if need be. I'm saying that's a decent starting point. If Arizona gave up keller for anyone, I think Schwartz is a pretty good replacement. Add a prospect(not named kyrou or kostin) or a pick or something

 

[Yakupov64]

Say whatever you want about overall fit or team need, OEL and Schenn have extremely similar trade value. Your proposal is that Arizona should trade Keller for a pending UFA?

No. There can be plenty more to add if need be. I'm saying that's a decent starting point. If Arizona gave up keller for anyone, I think Schwartz is a pretty good replacement. Add a prospect(not named kyrou or kostin) or a pick or something

 

[Cogburn]

We would lose an awful lot of grit in that scenario. And before the "grit doesn't matter in the new NHL" comments come in, grit was a big part in the Blues winning the Cup.

It seems you're just in the pocket of "big grit".

Seriously though, I don't know where that mentality comes from. Of course grit has its place in the game. What doesn't is the idea that grit beats all other aspects.

 

[BleedBlue14]

It seems you're just in the pocket of "big grit".

Seriously though, I don't know where that mentality comes from. Of course grit has its place in the game. What doesn't is the idea that grit beats all other aspects.

I don’t disagree. But the Blues style of play is strongly based around bird play and a heavy forecheck. Schenn fits this team very well.

I don’t think this proposal is bad by any means. But right now and based on how well the core of our team has bought into the system, it’s hard to imagine something around the two could work, mainly due to Schenn having flexibility on the wing as well.

If Pietrangelo were signed OEL is definitely something I’d like for Armstrong to persue. However, I think the piece that would make it favorable for us going back the other way would be Faulk with additions. Which I’m not so sure is something that Arizona would be interested in. Unfortunately those additions would more than likely have to include Steen or Allen as well to make it all work cap wise.

If Pietrangelo walks, this proposal may make more sense on our end as I don’t know if Faulk can carry a Gunnarsson like Pietrangelo can.

 

[simon IC]

I don’t disagree. But the Blues style of play is strongly based around bird play and a heavy forecheck. Schenn fits this team very well.

I don’t think this proposal is bad by any means. But right now and based on how well the core of our team has bought into the system, it’s hard to imagine something around the two could work, mainly due to Schenn having flexibility on the wing as well.

If Pietrangelo were signed OEL is definitely something I’d like for Armstrong to persue. However, I think the piece that would make it favorable for us going back the other way would be Faulk with additions. Which I’m not so sure is something that Arizona would be interested in. Unfortunately those additions would more than likely have to include Steen or Allen as well to make it all work cap wise.

If Pietrangelo walks, this proposal may make more sense on our end as I don’t know if Faulk can carry a Gunnarsson like Pietrangelo can.

Perhaps I overstated the "grit" thing. I can actually see OEL being a fit with the Blues. Especially if Pietrangelo walks. Keller, however, could have a rough time under Berube.

 

[rt]

I don’t disagree. But the Blues style of play is strongly based around bird play and a heavy forecheck. Schenn fits this team very well.

I don’t think this proposal is bad by any means. But right now and based on how well the core of our team has bought into the system, it’s hard to imagine something around the two could work, mainly due to Schenn having flexibility on the wing as well.

If Pietrangelo were signed OEL is definitely something I’d like for Armstrong to persue. However, I think the piece that would make it favorable for us going back the other way would be Faulk with additions. Which I’m not so sure is something that Arizona would be interested in. Unfortunately those additions would more than likely have to include Steen or Allen as well to make it all work cap wise.

If Pietrangelo walks, this proposal may make more sense on our end as I don’t know if Faulk can carry a Gunnarsson like Pietrangelo can.

Not sure why the trade would require a salary dump to make it work? OEL’s caphit is only 1.75m higher than Schenn’s. It’s not nothing, but it’s not wanting for an offset the size of Steen or Faulk, either. Seems like a secondary, much smaller move down the road is more appropriate than trying to fix that with this one trade.

 

[Robtom18]

Not sure why the trade would require a salary dump to make it work? OEL’s caphit is only 1.75m higher than Schenn’s. It’s not nothing, but it’s not wanting for an offset the size of Steen or Faulk, either. Seems like a secondary, much smaller move down the road is more appropriate than trying to fix that with this one trade.

How bout we keep schenn you keep oel

 

[rt]

How bout we keep schenn you keep oel

Quality contribution.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Not sure why the trade would require a salary dump to make it work? OEL’s caphit is only 1.75m higher than Schenn’s. It’s not nothing, but it’s not wanting for an offset the size of Steen or Faulk, either. Seems like a secondary, much smaller move down the road is more appropriate than trying to fix that with this one trade.

Sorry which hypothetical scenario are you outlining?

The only way I see the trade of Schenn for OEL being something that should be heavily considered would be due to Pietrangelo walking.

Our defense has in general been stout enough that moving out a top6 guy who fits the playstyle of our make up should not be considered esp in a scenario in which we take on extra salary to do so.

We are ultimately up against the cap if Pietro stays which I really hope he does. Not only does he require a raise, Dunn also requires a nice raise too. Blais I’m sure will receive a raise. I’m just not too sure how much or one.

The main scenario I outlined in which we would have to send cap back would be a trade based around Faulk and OEL. As to be honest with you, as long as Pietrangelo stays that’s the only sort of deal I can see making legitimate sense on our end.

Spending presumably
9? Per year on Pietrangelo
8 on OEL
5.5 on Parayko and
6.5 on Faulk doesn’t make much sense on our end given the general usage and typical partner Parayko is deployed with.

if Pietro does walk though. There could be a legitimate need in which sending a top 6 player for a defensemen could be necessary.

 

[Robtom18]

Just say no to oel.

 

[rt]

what if we did Schenn and Faulk for OEL and Stepan 50% retained


The whole point is to have a D-core of OEL,Petro, Scandella,Parayko, Dunn, Bortz, Perunovich

New lines(obvi next year)
Schwartz-Thomas-Tarasenko
Sanford-ROR-Perron
Blais-Stepan-Kyrou
Barbs-Sunny- MacMac

Scandella-Petro
OEL-Parayko
Dunn-Bortz
Perunovich

If we were to add OEL, then one of Dunn or Perunovich has to go. A future LD consisting of OEL-Dunn-Perunovich scares the heck out of me. There has to be at least one defensively responsible player on the left. Maybe Mikkola can be that guy. Possibly a re-signed Scandella.

Pass on Goligoski. How about Schenn+Dunn for Keller+Chychrun?

Well I would argue that Schwartz is a bigger gamble than keller is at this point. I'd rather risk overpaying keller than offering 5 or 6 million to Schwartz and take my chances. Keller is not only younger but I think IF there actually were any team where he could really shine, it's his hometown. Especially after coming off a cup win and maroon coming home and setting the bar. As gifted as Schwartz is, that's just a gamble I'd be willing to take but that's why I'm not a gm.

The whole point of all of this is to say I'd include Schwartz in a trade if you're really worried about having to pay him the following year. Why not, schenn and Schwartz for OEL and keller? Could that work?

To STL
OEL
Keller
Stepan-50%


To ARI
Brayden Schenn
Jaden Schwartz
Vince Dunn

 

[simon IC]

To STL
OEL
Keller
Stepan-50%


To ARI
Brayden Schenn
Jaden Schwartz
Vince Dunn

Respectfully pass. Losing to much sandpaper.

 

[stl76]

I don’t disagree. But the Blues style of play is strongly based around bird play and a heavy forecheck. Schenn fits this team very well.

Sometimes a typo is just perfect

 

[BleedBlue14]

Sometimes a typo is just perfect

I severely dislike autocorrect

 

[rent free]

Not at all interested in Matthews for Petro as a Leafs fan -- not even with added pieces.

me neither. i don't like the matthews contract as it is, and i would hate what contract pie gets