Stan Bowman thread (mod warning post 965)

[Callidusblackhawk]

Remember when Stan gave away TWO seconds for Timmonen? Just this summer 2nd and 3rd for Shaw, he keeps making mistake after mistake, maybe now he will know the value of picks cause he certainly didn’t just a few months back or years back.

Remember when I was being ridiculed for complaining about the 10.5M overPayment of Kane and Toews contracts cause Stan acted on a supposed projection of a cap raise, keep in mind Toews and Kane were given those contracts when the cap was a mere 70M and even the projection was 75M but no competent GM should work on projections, I was told they would have gotten 13.5M in open market when to this day 6 years later and the highest cap hit is 12.5 to McDavid at that LOL

I am the one getting lessons on credibility lol

I remember the Hawks winning the cup 4 months after that Timonen trade. Who gives a flying f*** about that shit?

Yes we all remember you crying about the 4% of the cap or whatever you thought they overpaid by for the last 5 years. Do you really think Rocky/McD were going to let Stan play hardball with the 2 biggest stars this team has had in the last 50 years? Basically everything Rocky has done since taking over the team has been the opposite of what his old man did. Retaining the team's star players through their primes and not letting them leave for nothing is a huge part of that.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Dale Tallon built the championship team Hawks, what has the other Bowman done for Hawks win a cup?.
- few times gotten lucky with a pick and a trade, more than once made total idiotic decisions; keeping the wrong player, giving away the wrong player, traded away the wrong player, traded for a wrong player, gave a bad contract...

His dad was brilliant at his job (both coach & managing), this Bowman is riding with his 3 rings, that he didn't help to achieve.



- FIRE HIM-

 

[Bubba88]

There is no direction, no Vision and you can't see a plan behind all of this.

Do we try to contend with Toews, Keith, Kane, Crawford while we add DeHaan and Maatta? Keep Lehner and pay him if thats the case even if it means you trade Strome for a Pick and Veteran D.
Do we try to rebuild in trading away the Rentals? Why did he not sell more if that is the plan? Dach, Boqvist and Kubalik are main stays as should be DeBrincat and Strome.

Pick a direction and sink or swim with it.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Dale Tallon built the championship team Hawks, what has the other Bowman done for Hawks win a cup?.
- few times gotten lucky with a pick and a trade, more than once made total idiotic decisions; keeping the wrong player, giving away the wrong player, traded away the wrong player, traded for a wrong player, gave a bad contract...

His dad was brilliant at his job (both coach & managing), this Bowman is riding with his 3 rings, that he didn't help to achieve.



- FIRE HIM-

Tallon built most of the 2010 team, absolutely, with big help from Mike Smith. But Tallon left us with nothing as far as draft picks go, a shitty salary situation, and Bowman had to pretty much rebuild more than half the roster in order to win another Cup or even be considered contenders again.

"Didn't help achieve" - OK, no mention that he was the asst. GM that entire time.

 

[Panzerspitze]

There is no direction, no Vision and you can't see a plan behind all of this.

Do we try to contend with Toews, Keith, Kane, Crawford while we add DeHaan and Maatta? Keep Lehner and pay him if thats the case even if it means you trade Strome for a Pick and Veteran D.
Do we try to rebuild in trading away the Rentals? Why did he not sell more if that is the plan? Dach, Boqvist and Kubalik are main stays as should be DeBrincat and Strome.

Pick a direction and sink or swim with it.

Strome?

 

[Salvaged Ship]

Bowman did fine his first five plus years and I give him credit. Its the last 5 years and what has happened leading to the current state of the team. This team is now a chronic bottom feeder. You shouldn’t get a forever pass because of those first 5 years, Q didn’t. Its time to get a guy with a fresh perspective, new ideas. This thing is seriously broken and there is no end in sight. Bowman deserves the pink slip now.

 

[GaryU]

One thing Stan is yet to prove is building a team on his own. He can manage a peak roster and add nice pieces. But he is a historic overpayer. Even Toews and Kane at the time were a million or two over what people expected. Especially with what Sid was making. Then the Bickell over payment...Seabrook. He has made his own bed with your current roster being what it is. Of those 3 overpays only 1 is living up to it (Kane). The other two are not even close.

As I have said before. A good GM makes his $ knowing when to cut bait with a player. You don't overpay and keep guys into their late 30s/early 40s. Especial a few of them on big deals on your team and expect to compete. They want that money you trade and reload and let some other suck overpay. He has not learned that lesson and has put us where we are today. Yes, he has made some nice trades. But he has also made many blunders (Bickell/TT, Ladd #2, Sharp #2, Brandon Manning (but made that one back), Joker, Panarin, Shaw #2, Rundbla, Weiss/Fleischmann, Scuderi).

Very well put.
If 10 years was enough of Q, it's certainly enough of Stan. He got rid of Q and hired Colliton. The lack of playoff appearances is on Stan, after a year and a half of his guy.

 

[GaryU]

Tallon built most of the 2010 team, absolutely, with big help from Mike Smith. But Tallon left us with nothing as far as draft picks go, a shitty salary situation, and Bowman had to pretty much rebuild more than half the roster in order to win another Cup or even be considered contenders again.

"Didn't help achieve" - OK, no mention that he was the asst. GM that entire time.

Good point. The QO screw up, got Tallon fired and Stan hired. Nice play, Stan.

 

[Marotte Marauder]

In hindsight, it may have been better to keep the Hawks competitive instead of continuing to move draft picks They may have over estimated the team's ability to make deep playoff runs in recent years.

Also skill seemed to be overemphasized compared to will. Skill is need but where are the players that play with reckless abandon, Burish, Buff, Brouwer, Sopel, KVS, Shaw? All the players cannot be robotic systems type players.

The team does lack an identity and until that changes the Hawks will just continue to draft and pickup random type players not players who necessarily fit what we need to accomplish.

 

[ClydeLee]

There is no direction, no Vision and you can't see a plan behind all of this.

Do we try to contend with Toews, Keith, Kane, Crawford while we add DeHaan and Maatta? Keep Lehner and pay him if thats the case even if it means you trade Strome for a Pick and Veteran D.
Do we try to rebuild in trading away the Rentals? Why did he not sell more if that is the plan? Dach, Boqvist and Kubalik are main stays as should be DeBrincat and Strome.

Pick a direction and sink or swim with it.

I don't get this conclusion. They're gonna try to make the playoffs next year. Trading off UFAs isnt some confusing direction move.

Whether it's still Bowman or not, the plan is clear with the pool of roster is to compete next year. Yeah and likely helps that Crow will probably sign a cheaper shorter deal in goal.

 

[ClydeLee]

Good point. The QO screw up, got Tallon fired and Stan hired. Nice play, Stan.

Why do these ofd narratives still linger. The push was also a matter of the upper staff not wanting Tallon and his direction. The whole desire for Tallon to have Havlat over Hossa was a factor of his firing.

If Tallon was running and had whole control they wouldnt of fired Savard and hired Q or made smarter moves advancing to the cup like trading off Barker because he has always shown too much loyalty as a GM to his picks and guys.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Why do these ofd narratives still linger. The push was also a matter of the upper staff not wanting Tallon and his direction. The whole desire for Tallon to have Havlat over Hossa was a factor of his firing.

If Tallon was running and had whole control they wouldnt of fired Savard and hired Q or made smarter moves advancing to the cup like trading off Barker because he has always shown too much loyalty as a GM to his picks and guys.

They're some of the dumber narratives, too.

Everyone thinks Tallon was some amazing GM for some reason... Bowman helped build even that 2010 team, considering he was Assistant GM, and then rebuilt two more Cup Champion rosters...

Oh, and how is Tallon doing over there in Florida, for those who think he's God's gift to GMs? Oh... that's right... he's on the outside looking in for a playoff spot.... Again. And just traded a good player for a bunch of... random pieces... Where was he last year? Oh, that's right... the Panthers weren't in the playoffs last year, either... or the year before that... or the year before that... He's been on the outside looking in for the last 5 years. Some great GM they got over there. Building a powerhouse!

Where are the people who have been talking up Florida all year now that they're sitting there outside the playoffs... again... even with the almighty Q and Tallon over there running the show? They got quiet, huh?

 

[Hawkaholic]

Good point. The QO screw up, got Tallon fired and Stan hired. Nice play, Stan.

Yeah, Tallon can't look at a calendar or keep his employees in check to make sure everything is done. Not what you want your head boss doing, not to mention making shitty signings like Huet, and wanting Havlat over Hossa.

 

[ChiHawk21]

he panicked after the nashville loss. they needed to figure out a way to sign panarin (hossas money) and keep pressing. they tried to retool at the wrong time and kept them outside looking in for the last 3 years and most likely the next 2-3 at least. Bowman then said he would build around his young players. Hino Hartman Schmaltz. That didnt happen.

2017-2018 roster would have been

Debrincat-Toews-Hartman
Panarin-Ansimov-Kane
Panik-Schmaltz-Hino
Sharp-Kampf-Wingels
Duclair-Hayden

Keith-Seabrook
Hammer-Gus
Kempny-Rutta
Oesterle-Forsling-Dahlstrom

Crow
Delia

 

[GaryU]

Yeah, Tallon can't look at a calendar or keep his employees in check to make sure everything is done. Not what you want your head boss doing, not to mention making shitty signings like Huet, and wanting Havlat over Hossa.

Gee, A good Asst GM would have his Boss' back.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Gee, A good Asst GM would have his Boss' back.

A good boss would make sure his employees are in check.

 

[GaryU]

A good boss would make sure his employees are in check.

Cause, One Goal.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Cause, One Goal.

Have any issues like that happened since Tallon has been gone? Nope.

 

[LDF]

Tallon built most of the 2010 team, absolutely, with big help from Mike Smith. But Tallon left us with nothing as far as draft picks go, a shitty salary situation, and Bowman had to pretty much rebuild more than half the roster in order to win another Cup or even be considered contenders again.

"Didn't help achieve" - OK, no mention that he was the asst. GM that entire time.

the problem with identifying these individual people is they are bosses of the whole scouting department.

 

[LDF]

There is no direction, no Vision and you can't see a plan behind all of this.

Do we try to contend with Toews, Keith, Kane, Crawford while we add DeHaan and Maatta? Keep Lehner and pay him if thats the case even if it means you trade Strome for a Pick and Veteran D.
Do we try to rebuild in trading away the Rentals? Why did he not sell more if that is the plan? Dach, Boqvist and Kubalik are main stays as should be DeBrincat and Strome.

Pick a direction and sink or swim with it.

to me, the next wave of key players are somewhat define ......

 

[Putt Pirate]

Choosing a direction ie: seeing the reality of what the situation is with this roster would be a good start. Heck, MN even got Parise to drop him NMC and they almost moved him. Imagine what we could do moving one of our 10.5MM pieces in order to become competitive again in a shorter time than riding their coat tails saddled with huge contracts that handcuff us for years. But you have to commit to a plan and not waffle . The last 3 years show you what you have for f*** sake.

 

[Fire Stan Bowman]

Dale Tallon built the championship team Hawks, what has the other Bowman done for Hawks win a cup?.
- few times gotten lucky with a pick and a trade, more than once made total idiotic decisions; keeping the wrong player, giving away the wrong player, traded away the wrong player, traded for a wrong player, gave a bad contract...

His dad was brilliant at his job (both coach & managing), this Bowman is riding with his 3 rings, that he didn't help to achieve.



- FIRE HIM-

YEEEET!

 

[Blackhawks]

We should make an open poll with 2 options

Fire him
Don’t fire him

We should be able to see who voted what, I can’t make polls because I been restricted so make it happen so we can settle this once and for all who’s still the Stan man fans

 

[Hawkaholic]

We should make an open poll with 2 options

Fire him
Don’t fire him

We should be able to see who voted what, I can’t make polls because I been restricted so make it happen so we can settle this once and for all who’s still the Stan man fans

You can make threads, you have that ability.

edit: I made it for you.

 

[ColdSteel2]

We should make an open poll with 2 options

Fire him
Don’t fire him

We should be able to see who voted what, I can’t make polls because I been restricted so make it happen so we can settle this once and for all who’s still the Stan man fans

It has to be anonymous due to the fear factor of people getting harassed for voting to fire him.