Stan Bowman thread (mod warning post 965)

[ChiHawk21]

Stan has done a good Job since Q was fired.

this offseason seems to be another plus for him. Signing Lehner, signing Kubalik and to add to it it's not Looking like he lost the trade with Nylander. Extended DeBrincat early. His last 1st rounders look good and promising. Dach should stay in the NHL.
I don't see a reason he should be gone.

All of this seems correct. At the same time if they have another losing season then i dunno where things go.

 

[Bubba88]

The 'hawk's record this year so far does not indicate he's "back on track".

Yeah... Stan is back on track and is adding talent.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Yeah... Stan is back on track and is adding talent.

Results are all that matters, and they aren't there yet.

 

[LordKOTL]

Results are all that matters, and they aren't there yet.

Exactly.
At this point from an organizational standpoint I think Stan has to be in the crosshairs--if not then the team can't realistically expect change. JC, being Stan's coach, hasn't done the coaching thing (at least until he sent Seabrook to the pressbox--and only that was one game against a team argubaly in worse shape than we are). Swapping him out for another Stan Yes-man will likely mean more of the same.

The bottom line is the performance of the team on the ice. Stan may have tried to acquire the right pieces and made good moves, but so did Smith and so did Tallon. He also acquired JC and the coaching staff, so that's on him, too.

 

[LDF]

Exactly.
At this point from an organizational standpoint I think Stan has to be in the crosshairs--if not then the team can't realistically expect change. JC, being Stan's coach, hasn't done the coaching thing (at least until he sent Seabrook to the pressbox--and only that was one game against a team argubaly in worse shape than we are). Swapping him out for another Stan Yes-man will likely mean more of the same.

The bottom line is the performance of the team on the ice. Stan may have tried to acquire the right pieces and made good moves, but so did Smith and so did Tallon. He also acquired JC and the coaching staff, so that's on him, too.

now for my occasional rant against SB......... how can that Bozo not get any negative rants now ??

 

[GaryU]

Missing the playoffs again this year should light a fire on his polyester pants.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

Roster stinks, team stinks. He assembled the roster, picked the coach. Bowman, just like Q and some of these vets, is past their expiration dates. This will be three years no playoffs and this team may well be the worst of the three. Sorry Bowman fans the end should be near.

 

[JaegerDice]

I'm happy to rinse Stan for some of the decisions he made on the supporting cast, but I have a hard time blaming him for the fact that the core players on this team are all playing like hot trash. The biggest problem with the team right now isn't the supporting cast, despite their weaknesses... the biggest problem is that the highest paid and best players on the team are all garbage, and no team can win when their best players are playing arguably worse than anybody.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I'm happy to rinse Stan for some of the decisions he made on the supporting cast, but I have a hard time blaming him for the fact that the core players on this team are all playing like hot trash. The biggest problem with the team right now isn't the supporting cast, despite their weaknesses... the biggest problem is that the highest paid and best players on the team are all garbage, and no team can win when their best players are playing arguably worse than anybody.

Nice post. Very accurate.

 

[ColdSteel2]

Defensemen drafted by round 2010-2016:
2nd: 6
3rd: 3
4th: 3
5th: 3
6th: 4
7th: 3

Not one of these players is a regular for the Hawks right now and only 3 of them are NHLers (Holl, Johns and Dahlstrom)

 

[Blackhawks]

Defensemen drafted by round 2010-2016:
2nd: 6
3rd: 3
4th: 3
5th: 3
6th: 4
7th: 3

Not one of these players is a regular for the Hawks right now and only 3 of them are NHLers (Holl, Johns and Dahlstrom)

The drafting as a whole has been bad, how many draft picks have actually made the team the last 4 years and are still on it?

Cat

The end!

The rest didn’t make the NHL or have been traded away because Stan had no patience to brew his own guys.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

The drafting as a whole has been bad, how many draft picks have actually made the team the last 4 years and are still on it?

Cat

The end!

The rest didn’t make the NHL or have been traded away because Stan had no patience to brew his own guys.

since 2010 the hawks have been fine drafting...they have one first round pick that didnt make the nhl...mcneil, thats it...that said their inability to develop really any defenseman since hammer is concerning but to say they suck at drafting is just not true...they have draft picks all over the league

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Defensemen drafted by round 2010-2016:
2nd: 6
3rd: 3
4th: 3
5th: 3
6th: 4
7th: 3

Not one of these players is a regular for the Hawks right now and only 3 of them are NHLers (Holl, Johns and Dahlstrom)

if you extend it a year or two then you're doubling that number with boqvist, jokiharju and mitchell...gilbert looks like he'll be an nhl regular as well...they did a pretty terrible job picking the right defensemen in early rounds but their track record with forwards kind of saved them

 

[clydesdale line]

The drafting as a whole has been bad, how many draft picks have actually made the team the last 4 years and are still on it?

Cat

The end!

The rest didn’t make the NHL or have been traded away because Stan had no patience to brew his own guys.

Dach currently.

 

[Blackhawks]

Dach currently.

Thanks to uncle Jerry

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Roster stinks, team stinks. He assembled the roster, picked the coach. Bowman, just like Q and some of these vets, is past their expiration dates. This will be three years no playoffs and this team may well be the worst of the three. Sorry Bowman fans the end should be near.

Indeed

 

[Pez68]

I'm happy to rinse Stan for some of the decisions he made on the supporting cast, but I have a hard time blaming him for the fact that the core players on this team are all playing like hot trash. The biggest problem with the team right now isn't the supporting cast, despite their weaknesses... the biggest problem is that the highest paid and best players on the team are all garbage, and no team can win when their best players are playing arguably worse than anybody.

Yep...

 

[TheDachKnight]

Say Bowman gets fired if we continue to flounder....who are the top candidates out there to replace him?

 

[Fire Stan Bowman]

im shocked by some of your inability to admit stan is not getting the job done and he is part to blame im not saying he should get fired but come on now the team sucks and he assembled it. yeah maybe our stsrs are underachieving but its his job to convince other gms to want aging veterans right before they start dropping off

 

[hawksrule]

Stan had a real rough patch after the 3rd Cup. But he's done a fine job the past couple years, and the organization as a whole is moving in the right direction, even if it is not yet reflected in the standings.

 

[Fire Stan Bowman]

im shocked by some of your inability to admit stan is not getting the job done and he is part to blame im not saying he should get fired but come on now the team sucks and he assembled it. yeah maybe our stars are underachieving but its his job to convince other gms to want aging veterans right before they start dropping off

 

[ColdSteel2]

im shocked by some of your inability to admit stan is not getting the job done and he is part to blame im not saying he should get fired but come on now the team sucks and he assembled it. yeah maybe our stars are underachieving but its his job to convince other gms to want aging veterans right before they start dropping off

They don’t want to admit they were wrong about him. Simple as that.

 

[ColdSteel2]

since 2010 the hawks have been fine drafting...they have one first round pick that didnt make the nhl...mcneil, thats it...that said their inability to develop really any defenseman since hammer is concerning but to say they suck at drafting is just not true...they have draft picks all over the league

It’s the development side in general that is the biggest problem. When they have a good forward, they fast track him to the NHL, even they seem to know players aren’t going to improve in their system. Defensemen take much longer though and need that AHL time. Unfortunately, they plateau there. I’m glad Mitchell is staying in college because the same could easily happen to him if he gets in this system.

 

[Fire Stan Bowman]

They don’t want to admit they were wrong about him. Simple as that.

seems like it, and i think its because they know hockey and know how much the bowman family has won and they want to believe stan is the reason we won the cups. and he may have been a huge part and maybe he was the right guy at the time but its not looking that way anymore

 

[ChiHawks10]

They don’t want to admit they were wrong about him. Simple as that.

This has nothing to do with it. Stan's trade acquisitions and draft picks have been our best players this season. It's the core vets that have sucked ass. Not sure how that falls on Bowman...