Stan Bowman thread (mod warning post 965)

[RememberTheRoar]

You’re reaching. He’s speaking in generalities.

Reaching a bit, but I wouldn't say it that way to make the point he was attempting to make. Unless he's calling most of us not "real fans", and he sees himself as one of the few "real fans"

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Where did I say I don't like it here?

Seems pretty clear you find the people here to be miserable, so what's the point of this for you?

 

[ChiHawks10]

Reaching a bit, but I wouldn't say it that way to make the point he was attempting to make. Unless he's calling most of us not "real fans", and he sees himself as one of the few "real fans"

He's essentially saying that everyone on here is a bandwagon fan. We all just started paying attention to the Hawks during the Cup run.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Yeah well....

Seabrook earned that contract. Maybe Wirtz didn't want to pay out back in the days because nobody brought him a Cup....nah, he was cheap, but still.. Seabrook deserves every single penny of that contract. There isn't a single person who can convince me the core four don't deserve to have their contracts or retire as Hawks.

They take up cap? You work around it. Stan did that during the summer. It isn't Stan's fault this team doesn't have the drive or desire to win, it's the coach

When you start rewarding people for past performances, and not with the expectation they'll continue producing at high level, you set yourself up for years of mediocrity due to the ripple effect of having worse depth.

$17 million in a hard capped league is a lot of money, and it's not something you can easily just work around. That's so much money that you could buy depth that puts you ahead of the Avs.

With Toews, while he may have earned the money it absolutely came with the expectation that he'd remain an elite first line center throughout the contract. Toews is not living up to that deal.

Not sure what the expectation was for Seabrook, but his deal-to-performance ratio currently hurts this team. I'd argue Toews' is currently hurting this team worse though.

 

[Giovi]

Lol wat?

Bringing in a coach who will have the respect of the vets I worthy of "going to hell"?

Give your head a shake

He didnt have the respect of the vets in Toronto. What makes you think it will be different here?

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Yeah well....

Seabrook earned that contract. Maybe Wirtz didn't want to pay out back in the days because nobody brought him a Cup....nah, he was cheap, but still.. Seabrook deserves every single penny of that contract. There isn't a single person who can convince me the core four don't deserve to have their contracts or retire as Hawks.

They take up cap? You work around it. Stan did that during the summer. It isn't Stan's fault this team doesn't have the drive or desire to win, it's the coach

This view is incredibly simplistic at best, and whole heartedly disingenuous in my feeling.

 

[LDF]

That's because you're not a Hawks' fan.

ouch !!!

 

[LDF]

Yeah?

Says who? The hive mind here? Thank God for that I'm not a Hawks fan like the rabble, I guess (shrugs)

rabble |s| ??

 

[LDF]

By pointing out the Hawks fans here have no loyalty to core players? Lol

Keep looking, I hardly remember the stuff I post here and I love reading myself

i am going to speak for myself, i know i am a die hard as most of these posters are ....... but i look at things differently and in many cases lead to my arguments and yeah being banned. but the point is, i know i am different b/c of my ability to see to the heart of a lot of things. maybe it is my past job that made me look and think this way.

i am and proudly a "thanks you very much but what have you done for me lately" and "thanks for everything, but how do you improve your situation"

yeah my outlook in life a harsh..... but FFS, life is hard.

 

[LDF]

The fanbase? No

The hive mind here? Yes

This place is more toxic then the Fortnite community. Which is why it's the same ppl posting the same drivel every single day.

man i had to look up what is fortnite..... it is a freaking video game. remember i barely know how to use these modern contraption called computer.

but i do not think i think like most of these loyal fans on this forum.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

i am going to speak for myself, i know i am a die hard as most of these posters are ....... but i look at things differently and in many cases lead to my arguments and yeah being banned. but the point is, i know i am different b/c of my ability to see to the heart of a lot of things. maybe it is my past job that made me look and think this way.

i am and proudly a "thanks you very much but what have you done for me lately" and "thanks for everything, but how do you improve your situation"

yeah my outlook in life a harsh..... but FFS, life is hard.

Yep, and when your life is running a team in a capped league, it's exponentially harder.

There's zero room to go around rewarding guys with massive cap hits that their performance can't live up to. Want to reward them? Give them a nice front office job when they retire, let them do one of those final shift bullshit things, retire their number. There are lots of ways to show appreciation for past performances.

f***, those suggesting that crippling the team's ability to compete in a hard capped league is the right thing to do is just dumb.

 

[LDF]

Hmmmm

First, I don't care enough about the ppl here to "attack" them. Second, a rarely reply to ppl here because;

1. I rarely read the ppl here
2. There's maybe only one or two ppl here worth reading
And
3. What I do scroll past looks the same it doesn't matter who posts it.

I hope this helps. Truly. I've come to the conclusion that many here are Cup winner fans and never lived thru the Keenan or dark times days here and just chalk it up to youthful ignorance and pull a drive by here and there.

Back on topic- Stan isn't the problem, change my mind.

And...... go

i think i have proven myself in what i am about to say. ref the bold this too is me, but i do care about ppl opinion . i don't expect to change their opinions, but forums like this if the neighborhood bars of the 60's, 70's and 80's.

a place to explore what the other fans are thinking.

 

[Fire Stan Bowman]

Lol wat?

Bringing in a coach who will have the respect of the vets I worthy of "going to hell"?

Give your head a shake

babcock is a toxic coach who thinks he's Gods gift to hockey. guy us a piece of shit that won't take any advice from anyone. he couldn't win in toronto with a way better roster how is he gonna win here? give your head a shake delusional hawks fan

 

[LDF]

Loyalty is a luxury in a hard cap league. Seabrook’s poor play is exacerbated by the fact that he’s taking up so much of our cap space. Bill Wirtz wasn’t liked because we kept bleeding talent because he wouldn’t pay talent market rates in a league where all it would cost was money. There’s an opportunity cost attached to Seabrook.

Apples and garden hoses.

ref the bold, wow it is a luxury but something that can't be done with out a good game plan.....

ref 2nd bold, it is common phrase..... "cost of diminishing return"

 

[Fire Stan Bowman]

Lol

So my "posting history" represents how much of a fan I am?

Are you a season ticket holder?

lol according to the people here you can only be a hawks fan if you love stan bowman and Jeremy colliton

 

[LDF]

Yeah well....

Seabrook earned that contract. Maybe Wirtz didn't want to pay out back in the days because nobody brought him a Cup....nah, he was cheap, but still.. Seabrook deserves every single penny of that contract. There isn't a single person who can convince me the core four don't deserve to have their contracts or retire as Hawks.

They take up cap? You work around it. Stan did that during the summer. It isn't Stan's fault this team doesn't have the drive or desire to win, it's the coach

he did not earn that contract esp in a new cap era. he was being paid.

SB was too sure of himself and wasn't looking at the big pict..... how father time comes to the players in each way..... never being the same for everyone.

 

[ChiHawks10]

lol according to the people here you can only be a hawks fan if you love stan bowman and Jeremy colliton

Find someone who has ever said this... I'll wait.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

lol according to the people here you can only be a hawks fan if you love stan bowman and Jeremy colliton

Nope, not true. You can definitely be critical of each of them.

It's the meatball "Blowman is a bum" and "Colliton sux" arguments that rightfully get push back.

 

[BK]

lol according to the people here you can only be a hawks fan if you love stan bowman and Jeremy colliton

Please show where someone said that.

 

[ColdSteel2]

Nope, not true. You can definitely be critical of each of them.

It's the meatball "Blowman is a bum" and "Colliton sux" arguments that rightfully get push back.

Are people really saying that? I don’t see it. Most people have presented evidence Bowman is way past his expiration date.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Are people really saying that? I don’t see it. Most people have presented evidence Bowman is way past his expiration date.

And that usually leads to a debate, not people telling you that you're not allowed to say it. Right?

 

[BK]

Are people really saying that? I don’t see it. Most people have presented evidence Bowman is way past his expiration date.

Bold: This is not remotely true. And no one has said that you can't say it.

I mean people are clearly saying it. Just look at the boards and twitter.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

Overall, the past few years have been hit or miss for bowman. But if we miss the playoffs again, 1 of 3 things better happen: Bowman is fired, Colliton is fired, or a core player is traded (for a great return).

That will buy the remaining 2 to get their **** together and win. This team isn't a cup contender, but at the very least they should make the playoffs. Anything less is a slap in the face considering the last 3 years.

If they miss the playoffs I would think all 3 of the things you listed need to happen.

 

[Fire Stan Bowman]

Are people really saying that? I don’t see it. Most people have presented evidence Bowman is way past his expiration date.

lol its funny cuz the people i was referring to all commented to defend themselves

 

[RememberTheRoar]

lol its funny cuz the people i was referring to all commented to defend themselves

Are you referring to me?

I think you need to go back and look at places where I've said I don't give a shit if he's fired. I am not, in any way, a loyal defender of Bowman.

I never have, and never will, blindly stick up for the guy. I just really don't care either way whether he remains the GM.