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Blues beat Flyers, 3-0. If you go by win%, the Blues would slot in at the 7th pick (8th with a BUF regulation win over NJD tomorrow).

St. Louis is two points under .500, while the team in the 11th pick slot (Edmonton) is one point above .500. The hay isn't in the barn, one way or the other, when it comes to this pick.

Come on, St. Louis, just get to the 11th or 12th pick this year.
 
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Zip15 said:
Blues beat Flyers, 3-0. If you go by win%, the Blues would slot in at the 7th pick (8th with a BUF regulation win over NJD tomorrow).

St. Louis is two points under .500, while the team in the 11th pick slot (Edmonton) is one point above .500. The hay isn't in the barn, one way or the other, when it comes to this pick.

Come on, St. Louis, just get to the 11th or 12th pick this year.
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I suspect they have a Lindy Era heroic run to 8th or 9th place in them. Just the kind of garbage first quarter to make a slightly above average team stumble just short of the playoffs.
 
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A dollar today is worth more then $2 in the future. Give me that #11/12 pick in 2019. But if it does end up as an unprotected 2020 pick I will not be too upset. The West is tough and as Carolina has shown this past year a team that finished just outside the top 10 can get lucky and win a lotto spot.

If the Blues finish top 10 and have to defer do I expect a guaranteed high draft pick? absolutely not. But I definitely believe that they can just miss out on the playoffs and even if it is only a 5% chance at a top 3 lotto pick I still would be happy with that.

The dream scenario is obviously the Blues finishing bottom 10 and however it ends up happening next year we get a miracle and get a top 3 pick in 2020 from STL. An even better longshot would be the Blues implode even bigger then this year and they finish in the bottom 4-5 and we end up with a top 7 pick in 2020 regardless of how the lotto turns out.

We got unlucky the first go round when it came to protected 1sts/deferments with the Isles pick. I think we are due to finishing with a high draft pick regardless from the Blues.
 
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We will be picking 3 times in the first round this year I think. And this is darn good as its obvious we need more talent and we need it soon to be able to compete with the likes of Toronto and Tampa.
 
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Rasmus CacOlainen said:
We will be picking 3 times in the first round this year I think. And this is darn good as its obvious we need more talent and we need it soon to be able to compete with the likes of Toronto and Tampa.
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I doubt that the Sabres get the Blues pick in 2019 unless they move back with the lottery and they expect to be a high lottery pick in 2020.

Today, they are in the 4 slot pre-lottery. That means that the pick will be 1-7 post-lottery.

It will be surprising if they give up a top 7 pick in 2019 to keep their 2020 pick. But, we shall see.
 
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Eichel9 said:
SJ also keeps winning.
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SJ is making the playoffs. They're three points out of first place in their division despite getting sub-.900 goaltending from Jones and Dell. If Jones gives them even average goaltending down the stretch, they should probably win that division.
 
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Jim Bob said:
I doubt that the Sabres get the Blues pick in 2019 unless they move back with the lottery and they expect to be a high lottery pick in 2020.

Today, they are in the 4 slot pre-lottery. That means that the pick will be 1-7 post-lottery.

It will be surprising if they give up a top 7 pick in 2019 to keep their 2020 pick. But, we shall see.
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Is it even their option? I thought it was automatic that the pick slides to 2020 if they're picking top ten in 2019.
 
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The Blues finishing with the 11th pick would almost offset the disappointment of Buffalo missing the playoffs. I would be sad in April, but happy in June with two picks from #11-#15. I have a lot of confidence in Botterill and co. cranking out a couple extra base hits from that position.
 
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Vito_81 said:
Realistically, my guess is that STL keeps the pick if they get that option (anywhere in top 10)

1-6, no doubt 7-10 , they may have internal discussions, but they’ll keep it in the end.

Just my .02

You would hate to give up 8th overall just to draft 18th in 2020.
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It all depends on what they expect to happen for next season.

They would also hate to keep a 7-10 pick in 2019 and give up a lottery pick in 2020.

If the Sabres get Lafrenière with that pick....
 
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There seems to be a clear "bottom-12" right now. Of the non-playoff teams, you could characterize only Carolina, Montreal, and Anaheim as contenders for a playoff spot right now. Beyond those three, the other 12 look between awful and bad, for one reason or another, especially with the way Edmonton has played. We just need STL to get to .500, and that may be good enough - currently, two .500 teams sit in the 11th and 12th pick slots.
 
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Is his draft coming up considered higher in talent than the 2020 draft? Or is it too early to make such a prediction since the 2020 kids are all basically 16
 
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Is his draft coming up considered higher in talent than the 2020 draft? Or is it too early to make such a prediction since the 2020 kids are all basically 16
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I think the logic is next year is just deeper than an average draft, so it's more likely to be worse based off of averages.
 
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Centers in the NHL draft are like quarterbacks in the NFL draft: they tend to drift upward on draft lists because of the importance of the position.

For 2019, there are enough centers that a team can get a good center prospect from picks 11-15. Hughes is 1, Cozens and Dach are top five, Zegras and Turcotte are top 10. Newhook is 11-15. He’s the center target if the Blues win enough for the pick to come in 2019.

2020 has a lot of talent, but at a first look, the centers available are mostly undersized. Not that that’s a bad thing, but betweeen the centers in 2020 and Newhook, I’d rather have Newhook.
 

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Blues win puts them only 1 point from 10th place.
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Yea I think they’re a candidate to have a better 2nd half than first half. One of those Darcy runs to 9th in the conference where you can feel more confident about the next season.

Really hoping they can keep at it. They’ve got teams on top of them that seem like they’ll be on the downswing as well (Arizona, and Vancouver just with the Pettersson injury) and they have games on hand with a few of these clubs as well.

Really love to get Newhook with that pick.
 
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Der Jaeger said:
Centers in the NHL draft are like quarterbacks in the NFL draft: they tend to drift upward on draft lists because of the importance of the position.

For 2019, there are enough centers that a team can get a good center prospect from picks 11-15. Hughes is 1, Cozens and Dach are top five, Zegras and Turcotte are top 10. Newhook is 11-15. He’s the center target if the Blues win enough for the pick to come in 2019.

2020 has a lot of talent, but at a first look, the centers available are mostly undersized. Not that that’s a bad thing, but betweeen the centers in 2020 and Newhook, I’d rather have Newhook.
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While the Blues pick will most likely be in that range, given the Sabres season so far, I'm putting them in the 5 - 10 range, putting Zagras and Turcotte within reach.
 
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