St. Louis and San Jose Watch (1st round picks)

[Jim Bob]

 

[missingmika]

Yeah, at least once. July 1st 2008, Vancouver signed David Backes to an offer sheet which was matched...7 days later the Blues retaliated with an offer sheet on Steve Bernier which was also matched.

I'm still waiting for the Edmonton-Vanek retaliation.

 

[Yatzhee]

Let the hate flow...........
Right to a lottery pick in 2020

 

[MayDay]

Meanwhile at Blues practice...

Blues are a trainwreck.

Think it's safe to say that pick is getting deferred to 2020.

But if things keep going from bad-to-worse there, that 2020 pick might really wind up being a good one. That's a sinking ship, and hard-to-see how they fix that in one offseason.

 

[Ace]

They blew a lead to Florida at home but scored late to seal it.

 

[Doohickie]

ROR scored a shorthanded OT goal the get the Blues past the Avs.

 

[Gordo21]

ROR scored a shorthanded OT goal the get the Blues past the Avs.

What a beauty!

 

[Ralonzo]

5-1 Flames over Blues in the 2nd. Was 4-0 after 1. Jeez.

Make it 5-2, comeback is on!

 

[flashsabre]

I totally forgot that the Blues signed Jordan Nolan. Did Armstrong really watch the Sabres last season and think that Chad Johnson and Nolan would be good pickups for his team?

 

[HaNotsri]

Blues lost 2-7. While it’s hard to look at their roster and expect them to be this bad next season as well they definately have more troubles than goaltending. And once you start to suck...

 

[DolanPlsGoSabres]

Sharks might get jumped by Edmonton in the standings after tonight

 

[Deleted member 27798]

So if the Blues miss the playoffs and post lottery end up 11-16 we get their pick this year?

If so, I think that is a possibility. They are only 5 or so points away from 11th. They have too much talent to continue at the horrible pace they have been at for 30 games.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Djp]

I don’t put much weight in these things. An issue not controlled for are schedule imbalance and team injuries.

Also historically how teams close matters more. You can start out slow and get hot and make the playoffs vs you start out hot then falter.

On avg the final playoff spot is around 94 pts vs ,500 record of 82 pts.

You go 62 over 62 games and 32 over20 or 2 10games streaks of 8-2 or 4 4-1 streaks over 4 games.

St. Louis has a good around something like 4-5-1 per 10 games. 11.5 pace puts you around the playoff line. They need to avg around 13 pts per 10 games to be in the playoffs.

 

[Dingo44]

I don’t put much weight in these things. An issue not controlled for are schedule imbalance and team injuries.

Also historically how teams close matters more. You can start out slow and get hot and make the playoffs vs you start out hot then falter.

On avg the final playoff spot is around 94 pts vs ,500 record of 82 pts.

You go 62 over 62 games and 32 over20 or 2 10games streaks of 8-2 or 4 4-1 streaks over 4 games.

St. Louis has a good around something like 4-5-1 per 10 games. 11.5 pace puts you around the playoff line. They need to avg around 13 pts per 10 games to be in the playoffs.

He's mostly going by historical data. Anything can happen, of course, but historically, things are pretty clear by now.

You still have to keep putting up the wins. A look at the rest of this month I like our chances to go 4 - 2 or better. And then onto January.

You don't make the playoffs by December but as we know around here you can definitely miss them by then.

 

[sabrebuild]

He's mostly going by historical data. Anything can happen, of course, but historically, things are pretty clear by now.

You still have to keep putting up the wins. A look at the rest of this month I like our chances to go 4 - 2 or better. And then onto January.

You don't make the playoffs by December but as we know around here you can definitely miss them by then.

December is long enough to know if you can compete with everyone. Anything is possible, but they finally have the talent to compete. As long as Jack and a couple Rasmi stay healthy.

 

[Woodhouse]

As 2018 comes to a close: Sharks sit comfortably in the playoff picture, so it looks like their 2019 1st is very likely headed to the Sabres, so continue to root for them to be a "playoff team that did not win their division and did not make the conference final" for a better draft pick; while the Blues sit comfortably in the lottery barring a substantial win streak, meaning the returning conditional 1st is likely deferred until 2020.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

As 2018 comes to a close: Sharks sit comfortably in the playoff picture, so it looks like their 2019 1st is very likely headed to the Sabres, so continue to root for them to be a "playoff team that did not win their division and did not make the conference final" for a better draft pick; while the Blues sit comfortably in the lottery barring a substantial win streak, meaning the returning conditional 1st is likely deferred until 2020.

This is fine. What will be bad, in my opinion, is if we trade these picks to compete this year. We are a bubble team and this would be a waste. It's a such a great opportunity to build depth, praying Pagula isn't pressuring Botts to compete this year,

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

This is fine. What will be bad, in my opinion, is if we trade these picks to compete this year. We are a bubble team and this would be a waste. It's a such a great opportunity to build depth, praying Pagula isn't pressuring Botts to compete this year,

I highly doubt it. I sway toward the "build for the future" side of the fence, and Botterill worries me that he's way past that side and over into the neighbor's yard. I think Botterill and the Pegulas sat down and realized they had to play the long game, collect picks, rebuild Rochester, draft and develop players better. If January goes the same way as December, there is no "competing now", but at least the draft will have a real chance of gaining an impact player (with help from StL maybe).

 

[larueskee]

I don't really understand this Berglund situation but something tells me the Sabres could make a case for retaining the Blues number one pick ( even if top ten protected ). I don't think your doing your due diligence if you are not meeting with lawyers at this stage. If anyone has any ideas about this please respond.

 

[Washed Up 29YearOld]

There are no protections for a deferred pick? If a deferred St. Louis pick becomes unprotected in 2020, potentially a lottery pick, then it is absolutely inexcusable to trade it unless it's an offer you cannot refuse or a top 5 talent. St. Louis not trending upward with its core.

 

[Jim Bob]

I don't really understand this Berglund situation but something tells me the Sabres could make a case for retaining the Blues number one pick ( even if top ten protected ). I don't think your doing your due diligence if you are not meeting with lawyers at this stage. If anyone has any ideas about this please respond.

There is no way that lawyers get the Sabres anything when NHL Central Registry ok’d the trade knowing Berglund’s contract status.

It is water under the bridge and at this point, the Sabres are probably happy to have the cap space now and into the future.

 

[sabremike]

There are no protections for a deferred pick? If a deferred St. Louis pick becomes unprotected in 2020, potentially a lottery pick, then it is absolutely inexcusable to trade it unless it's an offer you cannot refuse or a top 5 talent. St. Louis not trending upward with its core.

Correct, no protection next year.

 

[Snippit]

St Louis with the win.

They’re looking good to climb out of the bottom 10 actually

Imagine getting 3 picks between 11 and 20

 

[Revelate]

St Louis with the win.

They’re looking good to climb out of the bottom 10 actually

Imagine getting 3 picks between 11 and 20

Yes, it’s definitely not hard to pick out 10 teams they could finish ahead of at this point.